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On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:04:01 +0000, bbug wrote:
To me, this is evidence of the fallacy of your maxim, "All that matters
is what comes out of the speakers."
No, to me it proves the maxim. Some of these are better than lots of
other recordings actually made by humans.
I CARE that it is an artificial product and mark the recording as a
zero.
If I didn't tell you that it was an artificial product and just played
them as an unissued doo wop from the 50s what would you think of them?
To me, how and where they came from is totally irrelevant.
ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS
I wish I had access to using whatever this program is to make recordings
to order. I could make loads of tens for myself.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 16:15:12 +0000, BobRoman wrote:----------
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 2:05:17 +0000, Bruce wrote:
Can you name some singers who do not have a quality voice, but yet make
beautiful vocal performances?
Billie Holiday
Louis Armstrong
Kris Kristofferson
Tom Waits
Leonard Cohen
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BR
Billie Holiday has a quality voice. So does Kris. I'll give you
Armstrong, although I wouldn't call any of his good vocal performances "beautiful."
Waits and Cohen have each never made an even decent vocal performance,
let alone beautiful.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 2:05:17 +0000, Bruce wrote:
Can you name some singers who do not have a quality voice, but yet make
beautiful vocal performances?
Billie Holiday
Louis Armstrong
Kris Kristofferson
Tom Waits
Leonard Cohen
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BR
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Chuck Berry. Koko Taylor. Dave Van Ronk. Elmore James.
I wish I had access to using whatever this program is to make recordings
to order. I could make loads of tens for myself.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 22:08:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:----------
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Chuck Berry. Koko Taylor. Dave Van Ronk. Elmore James.
Nothing "Beautiful" about any of their vocal performances. Very fitting
to their styles, but not beautiful. Fats Domino is my favorite artist,
but that has little to do with his singing.
I don't care about the video part. Just the sound recording.
On 8/3/2024 6:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 22:08:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:
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Chuck Berry. Koko Taylor. Dave Van Ronk. Elmore James.
Nothing "Beautiful" about any of their vocal performances. Veryfitting
to their styles, but not beautiful. Fats Domino is my favoriteartist,
but that has little to do with his singing.----------
Okay, how about David Ruffin?
(One of my favorite artists is Muddy Waters, and it has a lot to do with
his singing or perhaps we should call it "song styling." The other is
Bo Diddley, who probably could not have sung the national anthem at a
ball game.)
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 21:19:47 +0000, Bruce wrote:
Billie Holiday has a quality voice. So does Kris.
Holiday has a frail voice.
Kristofferson has a tiny vocal range.
The fact that you see both as having quality voices is a testament to
their talents as performers.
A great musician can get compelling music out of a homemade cigar-box
guitar. An inferior musician will leave us bored even playing a
Stradivarius.
Artificial Intelligence would not know what to do with the voices of any
of the people Diane or I mentioned unless it copied them note for note.
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, Bruce wrote:
There's lots of really good singers without a
lot of range, or without much power.
If that's your position, then you are making my point. A "good singer"
and a good voice are two different things.
I'm not saying that you can just tell AI to "Make a recording" and let
it do what it wants. The human being that is telling AI what to do
becomes the decision maker as to vocal inflections, power, range,
etc...
Then it's not AI.
If I ask AI to "write an essay comparing Chuck Berry
to Elvis Presley as influences on rock & roll," it will spit out an
essay on that topic with no further prompts needed. It will require no
human guidance.
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip.
The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 21:19:47 +0000, Bruce wrote:---------
Billie Holiday has a quality voice. So does Kris.
Holiday has a frail voice.
Kristofferson has a tiny vocal range.
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip.
The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
No, Bruce, this is exactly what will happen in future.
The sooner doctors are replaced by *fully competent* robots/androids,
the better - because of the greedy fees that many doctors charge...
On 8/4/2024 11:42 AM, BobRoman wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 21:19:47 +0000, Bruce wrote:---------
Billie Holiday has a quality voice. So does Kris.
Holiday has a frail voice.
Kristofferson has a tiny vocal range.
Billie Holiday was also known to have a small vocal range. I wouldn't describe her voice as "frail" on her earlier recordings, before drugs
took their toll on her.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 21:19:47 +0000, Bruce wrote:
Billie Holiday has a quality voice. So does Kris.
Holiday has a frail voice.
Kristofferson has a tiny vocal range.
The fact that you see both as having quality voices is a testament to
their talents as performers.
A great musician can get compelling music out of a homemade cigar-box
guitar. An inferior musician will leave us bored even playing a
Stradivarius.
Artificial Intelligence would not know what to do with the voices of any
of the people Diane or I mentioned unless it copied them note for note
--
BR
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 22:08:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:
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Chuck Berry. Koko Taylor. Dave Van Ronk. Elmore James.
Nothing "Beautiful" about any of their vocal performances. Very fitting
to their styles, but not beautiful. Fats Domino is my favorite artist,
but that has little to do with his singing.
Kristofferson has a tiny vocal range.
But still a quality voice. There's lots of really good singers without a
lot of range, or without much power.
But acts of creativity are something else. We may, theoretically, reach
a point where a jazz musician can improvise on his trumpet and an AI on saxophone can give him a coherent interaction. But it will not be truly creative. In fact it will most likely feel "creepy and weird."
On 8/5/2024 5:37 AM, RWC wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:----------------
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip.
The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
No, Bruce, this is exactly what will happen in future.
The sooner doctors are replaced by *fully competent* robots/androids,
the better - because of the greedy fees that many doctors charge...
So you think that robot-manufacturers are less greedy than doctors? Ha.
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 15:18:54 +0000, Mark D. wrote:----------
On Aug 4, 2024 at 10:42:21 AM CDT, "BobRoman" wrote:
Holiday has a frail voice.
Not in the 30s or early 40s. Her voice deteriorated later on.
Compared to, say, Bessie Smith, Holiday always had a frail voice.
But the two were equally great as artists.
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip.
The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
No, Bruce, this is exactly what will happen in future.
The sooner doctors are replaced by *fully competent* robots/androids,
the better.
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 15:18:54 +0000, Mark D. wrote:
On Aug 4, 2024 at 10:42:21 AM CDT, "BobRoman" wrote:
Holiday has a frail voice.
Not in the 30s or early 40s. Her voice deteriorated later on.
Compared to, say, Bessie Smith, Holiday always had a frail voice.
But the two were equally great as artists.
On Aug 3, 2024 at 5:21:56 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 22:08:36 +0000, DianeE wrote:
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Chuck Berry. Koko Taylor. Dave Van Ronk. Elmore James.
Nothing "Beautiful" about any of their vocal performances. Very fitting
to their styles, but not beautiful. Fats Domino is my favorite artist,
but that has little to do with his singing.
Yes, he had a really good band. :)
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 9:37:12 +0000, RWC wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip.
The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
No, Bruce, this is exactly what will happen in future.
The sooner doctors are replaced by *fully competent* robots/androids,
the better.
What does the robot do when something unexpected happens?
For instance, when I was having my prostate removed the doctor saw that
one kidney was not connected to the bladder correctly, so he fixed that
while he was in there. Or the patient has a heart attack or something
during the surgery. Robots will NEVER operate without a person
controlling them as they do now with robotic surgery.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 02:00:51 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 9:37:12 +0000, RWC wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip. >>>>The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
No, Bruce, this is exactly what will happen in future.
The sooner doctors are replaced by *fully competent* robots/androids,
the better.
What does the robot do when something unexpected happens?
For instance, when I was having my prostate removed the doctor saw that
one kidney was not connected to the bladder correctly, so he fixed that >>while he was in there. Or the patient has a heart attack or something >>during the surgery. Robots will NEVER operate without a person
controlling them as they do now with robotic surgery.
Bob and I know that Robots will eventually be able to cope with these situations.
The Robot will know everything about the human anatomy and during
any medical procedure will be alert to any anomalies (such as one
kidney not connected ...)
The situation of a patient having a heart attack during surgery will
also be within the Robot's knowledge base...
On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 9:37:12 +0000, RWC wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:05:35 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
You wouldn't just tell a robot to remove and appendix and let it rip.
The surgeon controlling what the robot does is what matters.
No, Bruce, this is exactly what will happen in future.
The sooner doctors are replaced by *fully competent* robots/androids,
the better.
What does the robot do when something unexpected happens?
For instance, when I was having my prostate removed the doctor saw that
one kidney was not connected to the bladder correctly, so he fixed that
while he was in there. Or the patient has a heart attack or something
during the surgery. Robots will NEVER operate without a person
controlling them as they do now with robotic surgery.
And you won't be surprised that I agree pretty much with your stance in
the AI debate here
To me, this is evidence of the fallacy of your maxim, "All that matters
is what comes out of the speakers."
I CARE that it is an artificial product and mark the recording as a
zero.
To me, this is evidence of the fallacy of your maxim, "All that matters--------
is what comes out of the speakers."
I CARE that it is an artificial product and mark the recording as a
zero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsgcr9pjobQ
Here is the correct link where they all are.
https://www.youtube.com/@quiffhead
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:41:37 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsgcr9pjobQ
kinda sounds good, the lead vocal in particular, BUT a high percentage
of the lyrics are nonsense :-)
the tool used to create these songs should allow the AI lyrics
to be manually adjusted (within spatial limits) before going on to
create the finished product
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 20:49:43 +0000, DianeE wrote:
The whole idea is weird and creepy to me.
The beauty of a vocal performance is not in the quality of the voice. A beautiful voice can be boring as shit. The beauty of a vocal performance
is in every creative decision that the singer makes.
AI might be able to mimic a voice. It might even be able to copy the
creative decisions of a talented performer. But it cannot (at least not
yet) actually be creative.
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 20:49:43 +0000, DianeE wrote:
The whole idea is weird and creepy to me.
The beauty of a vocal performance is not in the quality of the voice.