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What type of person enjoys music but doesnÆt listen to the lyrics? Is
there any psychological fact about them?
Maybe it did come from AI, but I don't see why that matters. What is
says there is all true IMO.
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:09:22 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
What type of person enjoys music but doesnt listen to the lyrics? Is >>there any psychological fact about them?
" good lyrics can also be a huge asset to a piece of music and hearing
that you don't care about them makes me sad because there is so much
beauty (and/or horror, intrigue, humour, whatever) to be derived from
good poetry. I have several favourite lines in songs which have great resonance with me beyond just their sonority, some relating to or
recalling personal experiences, some stories of others which inspire
or challenge me, or even just some great one-liners.
I don't want this to read as a manifesto to 'convince' you as I
believe and respect you when you say you're not concerned with word
meanings but this is just my take for the sake of discussion :) "
This did not come from AI. And listening to lyrics strongly enough to understand their meaning takes away from what you are getting from
everything else in the recording.
Tell me Mark, what 1950s records have great counter melodies in your
opinion?
How about some of the best chord changes in 50s music?
What are some of your favorite bass lines in 50s records?
Do you even notice these things or are you concentrating too much on
what the words mean?
How about an analysis of people who love to beat dead horses?
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 4:20:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:
How about an analysis of people who love to beat dead horses?
Okay, I'll ask copilot.
Sent by you:----------
What kind of people love to beat dead horses?
Sent by Copilot:
The phrase “beating a dead horse” is an idiom that means to waste time and effort on something that has already been decided or is no longer relevant
People who are often seen as “beating a dead horse” might be those who:
Are very passionate about a particular topic and find it hard to let go, even when the discussion is no longer productive.
Have a strong desire to be right and continue to argue their point, even after it has been settled.
(It hasn't been settled)
Enjoy debating and may not mind revisiting old topics for the sake of discussion.
On 7/18/2024 12:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 4:20:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:
How about an analysis of people who love to beat dead horses?
Okay, I'll ask copilot.
Sent by you:
What kind of people love to beat dead horses?
Sent by Copilot:time
The phrase “beating a dead horse” is an idiom that means to waste
and effort on something that has already been decided or is no longer relevant
People who are often seen as “beating a dead horse” might be thosewho:
Are very passionate about a particular topic and find it hard to letgo,
even when the discussion is no longer productive.
Have a strong desire to be right and continue to argue their point,even
after it has been settled.
(It hasn't been settled)
Enjoy debating and may not mind revisiting old topics for the sake of discussion.----------
It *has* been settled.
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 5:01:31 +0000, DianeE wrote:-------------
On 7/18/2024 12:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 4:20:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:time
;
How about an analysis of people who love to beat dead horses?;
Okay, I'll ask copilot.
;
;
Sent by you:
What kind of people love to beat dead horses?
;
Sent by Copilot:
The phrase “beating a dead horse” is an idiom that means to waste
and effort on something that has already been decided or is no longergo,
relevant
;
People who are often seen as “beating a dead horse” might be those >> who:
;
Are very passionate about a particular topic and find it hard to let
even when the discussion is no longer productive.even
;
Have a strong desire to be right and continue to argue their point,
after it has been settled.----------
(It hasn't been settled)
;
Enjoy debating and may not mind revisiting old topics for the sake of
discussion.
It *has* been settled.
No, it hasn't. Some of the haughty folk here still don't believe that I
don't pay attention to what the lyrics are about.
On Jul 18, 2024 at 1:06:38 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 5:01:31 +0000, DianeE wrote:
On 7/18/2024 12:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 4:20:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:time
How about an analysis of people who love to beat dead horses?
Okay, I'll ask copilot.
Sent by you:
What kind of people love to beat dead horses?
Sent by Copilot:
The phrase “beating a dead horse” is an idiom that means to waste
and effort on something that has already been decided or is no longerwho:
relevant
People who are often seen as “beating a dead horse” might be those
go,
Are very passionate about a particular topic and find it hard to let
even when the discussion is no longer productive.even
Have a strong desire to be right and continue to argue their point,
after it has been settled.----------
(It hasn't been settled)
Enjoy debating and may not mind revisiting old topics for the sake of
discussion.
It *has* been settled.
No, it hasn't. Some of the haughty folk here still don't believe that I
don't pay attention to what the lyrics are about.
Who believes that?
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 5:01:31 +0000, DianeE wrote:
On 7/18/2024 12:42 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 4:20:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:time
How about an analysis of people who love to beat dead horses?
Okay, I'll ask copilot.
Sent by you:
What kind of people love to beat dead horses?
Sent by Copilot:
The phrase “beating a dead horse” is an idiom that means to waste
and effort on something that has already been decided or is no longerwho:
relevant
People who are often seen as “beating a dead horse” might be those
go,
Are very passionate about a particular topic and find it hard to let
even when the discussion is no longer productive.even
Have a strong desire to be right and continue to argue their point,
after it has been settled.----------
(It hasn't been settled)
Enjoy debating and may not mind revisiting old topics for the sake of
discussion.
It *has* been settled.
No, it hasn't. Some of the haughty folk here still don't believe that I
don't pay attention to what the lyrics are about.
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 18:45:17 +0000, Bruce wrote:
It's been a long time, but I thought it was at you and Roman and maybe
Bugge who argued that it wasn't possible for me to listen to a song and
not absorb the words.
I never said that.
All I ever said is that it is an unusual thing to take pride in.
I believe the last thing I said on the matter, a previous time you
brought this all up, was that it is like saying you refuse to pay
attention to the drums.
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of the
record instead.
On Jul 18, 2024 at 7:40:47 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of the
record instead.
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry, Joe Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:23:17 +0000, Mark D. wrote:
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry, Joe
Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
Someone who makes an effort to process the jokes of Allan Sherman might discover he actually likes the wit of Chuck Berry.
Bruce wrote:Is
What type of person enjoys music but doesn┤t listen to the lyrics?
there any psychological fact about them?several
People who enjoy music without focusing on the lyrics are often
described as "music-first listeners". Research suggests
psychological characteristics that may be associated with thislistening
preference:tend to
Strong appreciation for musical elements: Music-first listeners
derive more enjoyment from the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmicaspects
of music, rather than the lyrical content. They are particularlyattuned
to the emotive power and structural complexities of the musicitself.
Preference for instrumental music: Those who prioritize themusical
elements over lyrics may gravitate more towards instrumentalrather
compositions, where the focus is solely on the musical expression
without any verbal overlay.
Cognitive processing style: Some studies indicate that music-first
listeners may have a more intuitive, holistic cognitive style,
processing musical information in a more gestalt-like manner,
than analytically attending to the specific lyrics.of
Openness to experience: Individuals high in the personality trait
openness to experience are more likely to appreciate music for itscontent
inherent aesthetic qualities, rather than solely for its lyrical
or narrative.particularly
Emotional responsiveness: Music-first listeners may be
responsive to the emotional qualities and mood evoked by themusic,
allowing them to have profound emotional experiences through themusical
elements alone.and
It's important to note that these tendencies are general patterns,
individual preferences can vary. The enjoyment of music withoutfocus on
lyrics does not imply any specific psychological deficits oraesthetic
limitations; rather, it reflects a distinct cognitive and
orientation towards the musical experience.
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:23:17 +0000, Mark D. wrote:----------
On Jul 18, 2024 at 7:40:47 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of the
record instead.
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry, Joe
Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
What song(s) did Jerry Lee write?
Even Buddy Holly did not write as many songs as you think, and who knows
if he wrote lyrics, songs he did write always have co-writers. Many of
his best known songs were not written by him (Rave On, Oh Boy, It
Doesn't Matter Anymore).
Joe Turner often sang the same lyrics in different songs, why would you consider him focused on lyrics?
Any vocal groups who you think were focused more on lyrics than the
other parts of their records?
How about rockabilly artists?
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:23:17 +0000, Mark D. wrote:
On Jul 18, 2024 at 7:40:47 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of the
record instead.
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry, Joe
Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
What song(s) did Jerry Lee write?
Even Buddy Holly did not write as many songs as you think, and who knows
if he wrote lyrics, songs he did write always have co-writers. Many of
his best known songs were not written by him (Rave On, Oh Boy, It
Doesn't Matter Anymore).
Joe Turner often sang the same lyrics in different songs, why would you consider him focused on lyrics?
Any vocal groups who you think were focused more on lyrics than the
other parts of their records?
How about rockabilly artists?
On 7/19/2024 11:07 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:23:17 +0000, Mark D. wrote:----------
On Jul 18, 2024 at 7:40:47 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of the
record instead.
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry, Joe
Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
What song(s) did Jerry Lee write?
Even Buddy Holly did not write as many songs as you think, and who knows
if he wrote lyrics, songs he did write always have co-writers. Many of
his best known songs were not written by him (Rave On, Oh Boy, It
Doesn't Matter Anymore).
Joe Turner often sang the same lyrics in different songs, why would you
consider him focused on lyrics?
Any vocal groups who you think were focused more on lyrics than the
other parts of their records?
How about rockabilly artists?
Now you are not only beating a dead horse but also beating up a straw
man. Your beef is not with people who *enjoy* clever lyrics by Chuck
Berry, Smokey Robinson, Bo Diddley, or Willie Dixon. Or Cole Porter. Or Gerry Goffin. Your beef is with people who pay attention to lyrics
*almost to the exclusion of all other factors*. Your beef is with
people who *analyze* song lyrics to death, who don't care if it has a
good beat and you can dance to it. And how many of those, really, are
there? Not Mark, Bob, Bill, or Dennis, much as you may enjoy mischaracterizing them as such.
On 7/19/2024 11:07 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:23:17 +0000, Mark D. wrote:
theOn Jul 18, 2024 at 7:40:47 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of
Joerecord instead.
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry,
Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
What song(s) did Jerry Lee write?
Even Buddy Holly did not write as many songs as you think, and whoknows
if he wrote lyrics, songs he did write always have co-writers. Manyof
his best known songs were not written by him (Rave On, Oh Boy, It
Doesn't Matter Anymore).
Joe Turner often sang the same lyrics in different songs, why wouldyou
consider him focused on lyrics?
Any vocal groups who you think were focused more on lyrics than the
other parts of their records?
How about rockabilly artists?----------
Now you are not only beating a dead horse but also beating up a straw
man. Your beef is not with people who *enjoy* clever lyrics by Chuck
Berry, Smokey Robinson, Bo Diddley, or Willie Dixon. Or Cole Porter. Or Gerry Goffin. Your beef is with people who pay attention to lyrics
*almost to the exclusion of all other factors*. Your beef is with
people who *analyze* song lyrics to death, who don't care if it has a
good beat and you can dance to it. And how many of those, really, are
there? Not Mark, Bob, Bill, or Dennis, much as you may enjoy mischaracterizing them as such.
On Jul 19, 2024 at 10:07:22 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 13:23:17 +0000, Mark D. wrote:
On Jul 18, 2024 at 7:40:47 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
It probably has something
to do with why I like 50s music best, as many artists were not so
focused on lyrics and paid more attention to the overall sound of the
record instead.
True for Little Richard, mostly. Not usually true for Chuck Berry, Joe
Turner,
Buddy Holly, or even Jerry Lee Lewis, to name just a few examples.
What song(s) did Jerry Lee write?
Whoever said the lyrics had to be written by the singer?
Joe Turner often sang the same lyrics in different songs, why would you
consider him focused on lyrics?
Silly question. Go listen to Oke-She-Mope-She-Pop, a great piece of
music making that also tells a great story,
Any vocal groups who you think were focused more on lyrics than the
other parts of their records?
Who said anything about MORE focused on lyrics. For one thing all
singers have > to be focussed on what the lyrics say just to convey the
most obvious
emotions > in their singing. (Sad, happy, horny, having a good day,
having a bad
day, stuff like that.)
How about rockabilly artists?
Give me one hand loose and I'll respond to this pointless question.
Diane can vouch
for the fact that I once put "St. James Infirmary" on a playlist of what
I though were romantic songs until she told me that it's about who gets
VD from his girlfriend or wife and has to go the the clinic to take care
of it. THAT'S how much I process lyrics.
On Jul 19, 2024 at 4:03:38 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:make
Diane can vouch
for the fact that I once put "St. James Infirmary" on a playlist of what
I though were romantic songs until she told me that it's about who gets
VD from his girlfriend or wife and has to go the the clinic to take care
of it. THAT'S how much I process lyrics.
Actually it's about a guy going to see his dead girlfriend's body and
arrangements for her funeral. That's why most singers from LouisArmstrong to
Bobby Bland try to make their singing sad, not angry.----------
The article mentions Blind Willie McTell's "Dying Crapshooter Blues"
as a similar song,
On 7/19/2024 5:55 PM, DianeE wrote:
The article mentions Blind Willie McTell's "Dying Crapshooter Blues"
as a similar song,
This one has his great 1:45 preface. I never tire of hearing it. "But
the wimmin from Atlanta"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUnAY13rs
On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 21:03:38 +0000, Bruce wrote:
I would not even call it a beef. I
told you what it was. It was about the people who have a condescending
view of someone who doesn't pay attention to lyrics as if it is a
required part of listening to music.
There is only one person here who has claimed that his style of
listening music is superior. No one else cares.
And also those who want to try and get me to start paying attention to
lyrics, like Bob with this comment:
"Someone who makes an effort to process the jokes of Allan Sherman might
discover he actually likes the wit of Chuck Berry."
You missed my point if you think I was trying to get you to do anything.
I was just pointing out an inconsistency in your story, that whether you
pay attention to lyrics or not is in fact a choice that you make.