• Re: OT: Kamala Harris picks Tim Walz as her VP candidate

    From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Wed Aug 7 04:30:41 2024
    no_offline_contact@example.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of
    children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal
    aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before
    his battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he
    moderate his views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who
    survived being aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    (Etc)

    I hereby predict that the MSM will go out of their way to memory-hole
    all of that, then accuse the Republicans of disinformation when they >inevitably bring it up. I'm sure they'll notice some shiny squirrels
    too rather than addressing these issues. Here's hoping enough voters
    will not be fooled by those old tricks.

    That's not much of a prediction, ha ha

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Wed Aug 7 04:57:18 2024
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz was one of the many Democrats who participated in the recent cover up, saying publicly that President Joe BidenÆs health wasnÆt failing when he claimed in July that Biden was ôfit for office.ö

    In a throwback clip from CNN dated July 3, 2024, Walz spoke to the press outside the White House and told the American people that Biden was going to
    be able to stay in the presidential race against former President Donald
    Trump, amid an onslaught of calls for Biden to step out of the race due to
    his disastrous CNN presidential debate performance against Trump.

    ôYes, fit for office,ö Walz said when asked by reporters if the president was ôfit for officeö following a closed-door meeting between Biden, Vice
    President Kamala Harris, and a handful of other Democrat governors, CNN
    noted.

    FLASHBACK

    Just last month Tim Walz said Joe Biden was ôfit for office.ö
    pic.twitter.com/yFdU7yCuao

    ù Francis Brennan (@FrancisBrennan) August 6, 2024

    ôThe president has 3 ╜ years of delivering for us going through what weÆve
    all been through,ö he added. ôNone of us are denying Thursday night was a bad performance,ö Walz said, in reference to BidenÆs debate with former President Trump on June 27 of this year. ôIt was a bad hit, if you will on that, but it doesnÆt impact what I believe: HeÆs delivering.ö

    When pressed further by reporters about whether Biden had explained to Walz
    his terrible debate performance, Walz replied, ôYeah, he did. He said,
    æLook,Æ he didnÆt listen to himself.ö

    ôI think this idea that you get in your own head, you get a little bit cycled up on that,ö he added. What we saw in there today was a guy who was the guy that all of us believed in the first time who could beat Donald Trump and he did beat Donald Trump.ö

    On July 21, Biden dropped out of the race, more than two weeks after Walz
    stood in front of cameras and claimed the president was fine to lead our country for another four years.

    Interest in WalzÆs past comments exploded on Tuesday after Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris announced that Walz would be her running mate for the 2024 presidential election.

    Harris has also been accused of helping hide BidenÆs failing health. Fox
    NewsÆ Greg Gutfeld recently said Harris aided in ôthe most egregious and dangerous political cover-up in American history,ö as The Daily Wire
    previously reported.

    ôItÆs that she lied to the American people, aiding the most egregious and dangerous political cover-up in American history,ö Gutfeld said. ôThen, when the time was right, she took his spot and his money.ö

    ôNow, I do believe the modern media consumer is savvy enough to see this. Certainly you wonÆt fall for it,ö he added. ôWeÆve been burned by this stove many times before, the stove being the hoax-inducing mediaàSo remember who burned you last time as you experience the most orchestrated hoax yet.ö

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Aug 7 04:30:42 2024
    atropos@mac.com wrote:

    They need those pro-Hamas votes. Kamala's husband being Jewish is
    albatross enough. She couldn't be seen compounding the 'problem'.

    You forgot to put quotes around the word "Jewish".

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 7 16:11:37 2024
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 7:52:26 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    Kamala Harris picked Tim Walz as her VP pick, a truly safe pick.
    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota's governor either has extreme views or was too weak to stand up to activists opposed to the National Guard, he's in favor of citizen spying, and he's demanding the medicalization of gender confusion

    According to the media, Democratic Presidential candidate Kamala Harris made
    an excellent choice in selecting Minnesota Governor Tim Walz as her vice presidential running mate. Walz bridges the gap between the Democratic Party's progressive base and the moderates that Harris and Walz need to win over to maintain control over the White House, they say. And Pennsylvania Governor
    Josh Shapiro, the other front-runner, was too divisive on Israel, they add,
    and risked overshadowing Harris.

    But three major controversies threaten Walz's image as a moderate. Walz waited three days before asking for the deployment of the National Guard after Black Lives Matter protests turned into fiery riots that destroyed hundreds of businesses in. Minneapolis. Walz created a "snitch line" through which thousands of Minnesotans reported their neighbors, co-workers, and police officers to the government for things like not wearing masks while outdoors. And Walz doubled down last year on letting doctors and surgeons give drugs to and operate on children and adolescents confused about their gender at a time when Britain and much of Europe are coming to their senses and banning it.

    Harris' political advisors might note that Walz ultimately brought rioting under control and that deploying the National Guard was a difficult decision aimed at balancing the need for security with the rights of peaceful protesters. While the "snitch line" for COVID-19 violations was controversial, Harris' team could frame it as a necessary measure during an unprecedented public health crisis and stress that those actions were part of a broader strategy to keep Minnesotans safe. And they might note that Walz's gender policies ensure medical decisions are made with thorough support and parental involvement and align with established medical guidelines.

    But the more anyone looks at these three decisive cases, the worse it looks
    for Walz. Walz's delayed deployment of the National Guard against BLM rioters led to destruction and chaos, showing his failure to act decisively when it mattered most, undermining his commitment to protect both public safety and civil liberties. The snitch line for COVID-19 violations was a massive overreach of government power inconsistent with the American way and more similar to the kind of tip lines common under Communist regimes. And Walz not only supports irreversible medical treatments for minors without long-term studies on their effects, at a time when other countries are moving to
    restrict such practices, he last year advertised Minnesota as a state that would expand gender procedures to people from out of state and favors
    expending taxpayer money to pay for them.

    In truth, Walz's failure to stop the BLM riots, the COVID snitch line, and the growing gender medical mistreatment scandal could significantly hurt Harris with swing moderate voters in key battleground states, where Donald Trump's campaign is already depicting her as part of the radical Left. Most Americans want the National Guard called out to prevent violence and looting. While Democrats generally supported stringent COVID-19 measures, many independent swing voters viewed them as invasive and excessive. And significantly more voters oppose allowing doctors and medical professionals to give drugs and perform radical surgeries on minors.

    Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro would have been a significantly stronger vice-presidential pick for Harris. He has proven able to win over moderate and independent voters in a critical swing state, which could be pivotal in this election. And, unlike Tim Walz, Shapiro does not carry nearly as much controversial baggage associated with delayed National Guard deployment during the BLM protests, the implementation of a COVID-19 snitch line, or such
    extreme gender medicine policies.

    Given that Walz's controversies could hurt Harris with moderates, why did she pick him as her running mate? And why, if Walz is so progressive, has he done things that have undermined the progressive, liberal, and Democratic value of caring for the vulnerable?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Wed Aug 7 17:02:14 2024
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Wed Aug 7 17:06:10 2024
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of
    them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever you want. You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years at a time. Walz's fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served his country honorably for 24 years and retired at the rank of command sergeant major and deserves to be respected for it. What more do you want?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Aug 7 17:20:56 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . . And Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, the other front-runner,
    was too divisive on Israel, they add, and risked overshadowing Harris.

    How is one not divisive on Israel? Overshadowing Harris, 'cuz she's got
    too little personality? Oh, that's mean.

    [Gov Tim Walz D-Minn]

    But three major controversies threaten Walz's image as a moderate. Walz waited >three days before asking for the deployment of the National Guard after Black >Lives Matter protests turned into fiery riots that destroyed hundreds of >businesses in. . . .

    I'm not commenting on the rest. I've done a bit of reading on Josh
    Shapiro and I've come to like the guy. There were some economic policies
    he implemented that I didn't agree with but nothing unusual for a
    Democrat. Generally, I liked that he figured out how to work with
    Republicans in the state legislature as they either had the majority or
    were close to even. Kamala lacks legislative skills and this would have
    been important. Also I really wanted the anti-Semites to be pissed off.

    Can you comment further on deploying the National Guard? During Lori Lightfoot's administration, there were repeated episodes of large-scale
    looting and vandalism and some violent crime. There were a few arsons
    but it wasn't widespread like the King riots of 1968.

    It was nothing compared to other cities.

    But we repeatedly had calls to deploy the National Guard, especially in response to increasing violent crime not associated with looting in
    other parts of the city.

    Why is calling out the National Guard the go-to response for trouble?
    They aren't police; they don't investigate crime.

    In the post Kent State era, are they now receiving special counter-riot training like some big city police officers receive?

    The National Guard, when they aren't deployed during war, have civilian functions related to disaster preparedness. That's what these guys were recruited to do.

    Without counter-riot training, I don't want these guys deployed to deal
    with riots, getting into an altercation to which they respond poorly,
    then finding that they are being sued for a civil rights violation.

    Countering riots is the shittiest of all first responder jobs. It's
    almost impossible not to club somebody on the head, or shoot him, who it
    turns out wasn't doing anything violent or was not committing a crime.
    Too much "fog of war" is possible when things really get out of hand.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Aug 7 17:33:33 2024
    On Aug 7, 2024 at 10:20:56 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . . And Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, the other front-runner,
    was too divisive on Israel, they add, and risked overshadowing Harris.

    How is one not divisive on Israel? Overshadowing Harris, 'cuz she's got
    too little personality? Oh, that's mean.

    [Gov Tim Walz D-Minn]

    But three major controversies threaten Walz's image as a moderate. Walz
    waited
    three days before asking for the deployment of the National Guard after Black
    Lives Matter protests turned into fiery riots that destroyed hundreds of
    businesses in. . . .

    I'm not commenting on the rest. I've done a bit of reading on Josh
    Shapiro and I've come to like the guy. There were some economic policies
    he implemented that I didn't agree with but nothing unusual for a
    Democrat. Generally, I liked that he figured out how to work with
    Republicans in the state legislature as they either had the majority or
    were close to even. Kamala lacks legislative skills and this would have
    been important. Also I really wanted the anti-Semites to be pissed off.

    Can you comment further on deploying the National Guard? During Lori Lightfoot's administration, there were repeated episodes of large-scale looting and vandalism and some violent crime. There were a few arsons
    but it wasn't widespread like the King riots of 1968.

    It was nothing compared to other cities.

    But we repeatedly had calls to deploy the National Guard, especially in response to increasing violent crime not associated with looting in
    other parts of the city.

    Why is calling out the National Guard the go-to response for trouble?
    They aren't police; they don't investigate crime.

    No, but they stop the shenanigans cold. But soldiers on every corner in tanks and Humvees with full-auto rifles and the miscreants usually suddenly realize they have other things to do.

    In the post Kent State era, are they now receiving special counter-riot training like some big city police officers receive?

    The National Guard, when they aren't deployed during war, have civilian functions related to disaster preparedness. That's what these guys were recruited to do.

    Without counter-riot training, I don't want these guys deployed to deal
    with riots, getting into an altercation to which they respond poorly,
    then finding that they are being sued for a civil rights violation.

    Countering riots is the shittiest of all first responder jobs. It's
    almost impossible not to club somebody on the head, or shoot him, who it turns out wasn't doing anything violent or was not committing a crime.
    Too much "fog of war" is possible when things really get out of hand.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Aug 7 18:24:51 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of >them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever you want. >You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years at a time. Walz's >fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served his country honorably for 24 >years and retired at the rank of command sergeant major and deserves to be >respected for it. What more do you want?

    Excellent point. That rank must be just sort of Sergeant Major of the
    State National Guard. One doesn't get that promotion with a history of
    shirking duty.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Aug 7 19:17:57 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 7, 2024 at 10:20:56 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . . And Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, the other front-runner,
    was too divisive on Israel, they add, and risked overshadowing Harris.

    How is one not divisive on Israel? Overshadowing Harris, 'cuz she's got
    too little personality? Oh, that's mean.

    [Gov Tim Walz D-Minn]

    But three major controversies threaten Walz's image as a moderate. Walz >>>waited three days before asking for the deployment of the National
    Guard after Black Lives Matter protests turned into fiery riots that >>>destroyed hundreds of businesses in. . . .

    I'm not commenting on the rest. I've done a bit of reading on Josh
    Shapiro and I've come to like the guy. There were some economic policies
    he implemented that I didn't agree with but nothing unusual for a
    Democrat. Generally, I liked that he figured out how to work with >>Republicans in the state legislature as they either had the majority or >>were close to even. Kamala lacks legislative skills and this would have >>been important. Also I really wanted the anti-Semites to be pissed off.

    Can you comment further on deploying the National Guard? During Lori >>Lightfoot's administration, there were repeated episodes of large-scale >>looting and vandalism and some violent crime. There were a few arsons
    but it wasn't widespread like the King riots of 1968.

    It was nothing compared to other cities.

    But we repeatedly had calls to deploy the National Guard, especially in >>response to increasing violent crime not associated with looting in
    other parts of the city.

    Why is calling out the National Guard the go-to response for trouble?
    They aren't police; they don't investigate crime.

    No, but they stop the shenanigans cold. But soldiers on every corner in tanks >and Humvees with full-auto rifles and the miscreants usually suddenly realize >they have other things to do.

    Yes, I understand the deterrence aspect to a military show of force, but
    THAT will not stop a riot cold. You just know that some inexperienced
    kid from a rural area in the National Guard will find himself in a confrontation and will shoot. That's not what he signed up for.

    The governor will always expect the local police to contain the
    situation. Calling in police from surrounding areas might be better than calling in the Guard, but it's impossible to predict how to avoid a bad situation getting worse.

    In the post Kent State era, are they now receiving special counter-riot >>training like some big city police officers receive?

    The National Guard, when they aren't deployed during war, have civilian >>functions related to disaster preparedness. That's what these guys were >>recruited to do.

    Without counter-riot training, I don't want these guys deployed to deal >>with riots, getting into an altercation to which they respond poorly,
    then finding that they are being sued for a civil rights violation.

    Countering riots is the shittiest of all first responder jobs. It's
    almost impossible not to club somebody on the head, or shoot him, who it >>turns out wasn't doing anything violent or was not committing a crime.
    Too much "fog of war" is possible when things really get out of hand.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Wed Aug 7 15:31:35 2024
    On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 18:24:51 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of >>them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever you want. >>You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years at a time. Walz's >>fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served his country honorably for 24
    years and retired at the rank of command sergeant major and deserves to be >>respected for it. What more do you want?

    Excellent point. That rank must be just sort of Sergeant Major of the
    State National Guard. One doesn't get that promotion with a history of >shirking duty.

    To be fair he didn't fully get that rank, mostly because there were
    some education requirements he didn't meet at the time of his
    retirement. So it's an odd thing where he got the promotion to CSM and
    then was reduced in rank when he retired without meeting the
    requirements. So he gets to say he retired at CSM but will have people
    complain that he wasn't justified to say he had that rank. Hence
    people complaining about stolen valor over on Twitter.

    If he had chosen to stay in for another term one can assume he would
    have finished meeting the requirements for the CSM rank.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Aug 7 19:45:03 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Wed, 7 Aug 2024 18:24:51 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of >>>them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever
    you want. You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years
    at a time. Walz's fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served
    his country honorably for 24 years and retired at the rank of command >>>sergeant major and deserves to be respected for it. What more do
    you want?

    Excellent point. That rank must be just sort of Sergeant Major of the
    State National Guard. One doesn't get that promotion with a history of >>shirking duty.

    To be fair he didn't fully get that rank, mostly because there were
    some education requirements he didn't meet at the time of his
    retirement.

    I haven't read about this. Why wasn't he eligible? Did he need a
    master's degree? A period of time at army war college?

    . . .

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Wed Aug 7 15:55:29 2024
    On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 19:45:03 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Wed, 7 Aug 2024 18:24:51 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>>nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>>battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of >>>>them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever
    you want. You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years
    at a time. Walz's fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served
    his country honorably for 24 years and retired at the rank of command >>>>sergeant major and deserves to be respected for it. What more do
    you want?

    Excellent point. That rank must be just sort of Sergeant Major of the >>>State National Guard. One doesn't get that promotion with a history of >>>shirking duty.

    To be fair he didn't fully get that rank, mostly because there were
    some education requirements he didn't meet at the time of his
    retirement.

    I haven't read about this. Why wasn't he eligible? Did he need a
    master's degree? A period of time at army war college?

    . . .

    I don't know the specifics but I guess it was something related to the military. Could have been something from the National Guard or from
    the Army. Either way it was apparently something he had started but
    needed to finish before his retirement to keep the CSM rank, but would
    have required him to sign up for another term to finish the education requirements.

    Ah it looks like he was supposed to finish additional coursework at
    the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy to retain the CSM rank. Since he
    didn't do that coursework he was demoted back to SM.

    Can't say that I blame him for retiring after 24 years instead of
    signing for another term of 2? 4? 6? years.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Aug 7 20:20:51 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Wed, 7 Aug 2024 19:45:03 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Wed, 7 Aug 2024 18:24:51 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>>>nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>>>battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of >>>>>them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever >>>>>you want. You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years >>>>>at a time. Walz's fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served >>>>>his country honorably for 24 years and retired at the rank of command >>>>>sergeant major and deserves to be respected for it. What more do
    you want?

    Excellent point. That rank must be just sort of Sergeant Major of the >>>>State National Guard. One doesn't get that promotion with a history of >>>>shirking duty.

    To be fair he didn't fully get that rank, mostly because there were
    some education requirements he didn't meet at the time of his
    retirement.

    I haven't read about this. Why wasn't he eligible? Did he need a
    master's degree? A period of time at army war college?

    . . .

    I don't know the specifics but I guess it was something related to the >military. Could have been something from the National Guard or from
    the Army. Either way it was apparently something he had started but
    needed to finish before his retirement to keep the CSM rank, but would
    have required him to sign up for another term to finish the education >requirements.

    Ah it looks like he was supposed to finish additional coursework at
    the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy to retain the CSM rank. Since he
    didn't do that coursework he was demoted back to SM.

    I didn't know that conditional promotion was a thing in the Army. I
    thought you had to meet all prerequisites first, then the promotion
    board would consider the promotion.

    Can't say that I blame him for retiring after 24 years instead of
    signing for another term of 2? 4? 6? years.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Wed Aug 7 16:31:12 2024
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    The wife of Democrat VP-pick Tim Walz said during an interview in 2020 that
    she kept her windows open for as long as she could so she could smell the burning of tires rioters set on fire during the Minneapolis-area riots in response to the death of George Floyd.

    During the 2020 riots, cities like Minneapolis burned, costing hundreds of millions of dollars in damage. Gov. Walz has been criticized for his slow response to the destruction and violence by the left-wing protesters.

    ôWe had more sleepless nights during the riots,ö Gwen Walz told an ABC News affiliate back in July 2020. ôI could smell the burning tires, and that was a very real thing. I kept the windows open as long as I could because I felt
    like that was such a touchstone of what was happening.ö

    The clip of GwenÆs comments has gone viral in the wake of VP Kamala Harris choosing Walz as her running mate.

    Daily Wire host Matt Walsh commented on the clip, writing, ôEverything you
    need to know about leftist elites can be found in this short clip. Tim WalzÆs wife sat by the window enjoying the smell of poor neighborhoods burning
    during the Floyd riots. She did everything but pull out a fiddle.ö

    WATCH:

    Everything you need to know about leftist elites can be found in
    this short clip. Tim WalzÆs wife sat by the window enjoying the
    smell of poor neighborhoods burning during the Floyd riots. She
    did everything but pull out a fiddle.

    pic.twitter.com/IVJYORX4vu

    ù Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) August 6, 2024

    Notably, Walz admitted in the spring of 2020 that there was an ôabject
    failureö in the response to the rioters who burned businesses and a police precinct.

    WATCH THE TRAILER FOR æAM I RACIST?Æ ù A MATT WALSH COMEDY ON DEI

    ôMinneapolis and St. Paul are on fire,ö Walz said during a press conference. ôThe fire is still smoldering in our streets. The ashes are symbolic of
    decades and generations of pain, of anguish unheard.ö

    He added that he received a call from a state senator who told him that her district was ôon fire, no police, no firefighters, no social control, constituents locked in houses wondering what they were going to do.ö

    ôThat is an abject failure that cannot happen,ö Walz said.

    [She thinks that sitting by the window smelling the burning tires gave some kind of solidarity to the "cause?" How weird.]

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to BTR on Wed Aug 7 16:36:17 2024
    On Wed, 07 Jul 2024 13:20:22 -0400, BTR atropos@mac.com wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist country. >>
    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being aborted). >>
    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    When Minnesota GovernorÆs Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted Taxpayers
    To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to NoBody on Wed Aug 7 17:30:01 2024
    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jul 2024 13:20:22 -0400, BTR atropos@mac.com wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >>>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist country. >>>
    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being aborted). >>>
    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to
    teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    When Minnesota Governor’s Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 7 17:34:40 2024
    On 8/7/2024 1:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever you want. You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years at a time. Walz's fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served his country honorably for 24
    years and retired at the rank of command sergeant major and deserves to be respected for it. What more do you want?

    You'll be eating at the nerds' table this week...

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 7 17:31:17 2024
    On 8/7/2024 1:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist country. >>
    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being aborted). >>
    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    Do they? I guess Kamala won't be winning Minnesota, then...

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Aug 7 19:24:39 2024
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist country. >>
    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being aborted). >>
    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.


    You mean making tampons available for teenage girls in school that
    couldn't afford to buy their own? Wow.. That's a great attack so keep
    it up.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Aug 8 00:12:50 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >>teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    You mean making tampons available for teenage girls in school that
    couldn't afford to buy their own? Wow.. That's a great attack so keep
    it up.

    No, that's not what he means.

    https://patch.com/minnesota/saintpaul/what-know-gov-tim-walzs-controversial-tampon-bill

    What To Know About Gov. Tim Walz's Controversial Tampon Bill
    Tampons, pads, and other menstrual products must be stocked free
    of charge in Minnesota's public schools.
    William Bornhoft,
    Patch Staff
    Updated Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:34 pm CT

    ST. PAUL, MN - Democrat Tim Walz's selection as Vice President
    Kamala Harris' running mate has brought national attention and
    criticism to the bills he's signed into law as Minnesota's
    governor.

    Some of the most progressive laws in Minnesota's history were
    passed in the last two years, during the period when Democrats
    held a trifecta in the state government.

    Among those laws is one that requires public schools in
    Minnesota to stock menstrual products in all girls and boys
    bathrooms at no charge to students. The bill went into effect
    Jan. 1.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Wed Aug 7 18:29:12 2024
    In article <v90lnj$3behl$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    The wife of Democrat VP-pick Tim Walz said during an interview in 2020 that she kept her windows open for as long as she could so she could smell the burning of tires rioters set on fire during the Minneapolis-area riots in response to the death of George Floyd.

    During the 2020 riots, cities like Minneapolis burned, costing hundreds of millions of dollars in damage. Gov. Walz has been criticized for his slow response to the destruction and violence by the left-wing protesters.

    "We had more sleepless nights during the riots," Gwen Walz told an ABC News affiliate back in July 2020. "I could smell the burning tires, and that was a very real thing. I kept the windows open as long as I could because I felt like that was such a touchstone of what was happening."

    That's almost as good as Michelle Obama saying she was never proud to be
    an American until the moment they nominated her husband for president.

    Of course the media will ignore it. Some ancient joking comment Vance
    made about cat ladies dominates the new cycle for a week but this won't
    even be reported on in the studios of CNN, ABC, and NBC.

    The clip of Gwen's comments has gone viral in the wake of VP Kamala Harris choosing Walz as her running mate.

    Daily Wire host Matt Walsh commented on the clip, writing, "Everything you need to know about leftist elites can be found in this short clip. Tim
    Walz's wife sat by the window enjoying the smell of poor neighborhoods burning during the Floyd riots. She did everything but pull out a fiddle."

    Heh. I had the exact same mental image.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Aug 7 18:35:22 2024
    In article <v90p36$3c238$3@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 1:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate >> his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    Do they? I guess Kamala won't be winning Minnesota, then...

    Well, she's hoping to counter that by passing over Shapiro in favor of
    Walz. Distracts from that annoying Jewish taint, so important to win
    over the votes of Minnesota's large Somali population.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Aug 7 18:36:06 2024
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jul 2024 13:20:22 -0400, BTR atropos@mac.com wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net>
    wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >>>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal
    aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>> battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate >>> his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >> teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    When Minnesota Governor’s Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted Taxpayers
    To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Aug 7 18:32:00 2024
    In article <v90kv3$39lei$5@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Wed, 7 Aug 2024 19:45:03 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    Wed, 7 Aug 2024 18:24:51 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>>>battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of
    them.

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever >>>>>you want. You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years >>>>>at a time. Walz's fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served >>>>>his country honorably for 24 years and retired at the rank of command >>>>>sergeant major and deserves to be respected for it. What more do >>>>>you want?

    Excellent point. That rank must be just sort of Sergeant Major of the >>>>State National Guard. One doesn't get that promotion with a history of >>>>shirking duty.

    To be fair he didn't fully get that rank, mostly because there were >>>some education requirements he didn't meet at the time of his >>>retirement.

    I haven't read about this. Why wasn't he eligible? Did he need a
    master's degree? A period of time at army war college?

    . . .

    I don't know the specifics but I guess it was something related to the >military. Could have been something from the National Guard or from
    the Army. Either way it was apparently something he had started but
    needed to finish before his retirement to keep the CSM rank, but would
    have required him to sign up for another term to finish the education >requirements.

    Ah it looks like he was supposed to finish additional coursework at
    the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy to retain the CSM rank. Since he >didn't do that coursework he was demoted back to SM.

    I didn't know that conditional promotion was a thing in the Army. I
    thought you had to meet all prerequisites first, then the promotion
    board would consider the promotion.

    My dad was promoted from colonel to brigadier general but he didn't
    serve long enough as a general so when he retired, his rank was colonel.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Aug 7 18:33:22 2024
    In article <lf08bjpup9ubqcnflss39leut0k0hs6ckb@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate >> his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.


    You mean making tampons available for teenage girls in school that
    couldn't afford to buy their own?

    No, tampons-for-girls was already a thing. He crusaded for giving them
    to boys, making sure every boys' restroom had a tampon dispenser.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Aug 8 01:55:20 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I didn't know that conditional promotion was a thing in the Army. I
    thought you had to meet all prerequisites first, then the promotion
    board would consider the promotion.

    My dad was promoted from colonel to brigadier general but he didn't
    serve long enough as a general so when he retired, his rank was colonel.

    If he'd been offered UNIT, would he have re-upped?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Aug 7 18:59:25 2024
    In article <v918i8$3krk9$1@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I didn't know that conditional promotion was a thing in the Army. I >>thought you had to meet all prerequisites first, then the promotion
    board would consider the promotion.

    My dad was promoted from colonel to brigadier general but he didn't
    serve long enough as a general so when he retired, his rank was
    colonel.

    If he'd been offered UNIT, would he have re-upped?

    Only if it came with a ride in the TARDIS.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Wed Aug 7 23:19:27 2024
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 18:33:22 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <lf08bjpup9ubqcnflss39leut0k0hs6ckb@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >> >
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >> >>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >> >>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate >> >> his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to
    teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.


    You mean making tampons available for teenage girls in school that
    couldn't afford to buy their own?

    No, tampons-for-girls was already a thing. He crusaded for giving them
    to boys, making sure every boys' restroom had a tampon dispenser.

    So what was the reason given for doing that?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to shawn on Thu Aug 8 03:25:55 2024
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 18:33:22 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    No, tampons-for-girls was already a thing. He crusaded for giving them
    to boys, making sure every boys' restroom had a tampon dispenser.

    So what was the reason given for doing that?

    I cited a story for you in the other followup but you didn't read it.

    Rep. Sandra Feist, a Democrat from New Brighton who pioneered
    the measure, said in January that the associated cost of the
    measure would be a "wise investment" because it would keep
    students from missing school due to "period poverty."

    "One out of every 10 menstruating youth miss school during their
    menstruating cycle due to lack of access to menstrual products
    and resources," Feist said in a House Education Finance
    Committee hearing.

    A Republican-backed amendment to add the word "female" to the
    bill failed in committee. "Not all students who menstruate are
    female," Feist said, persuading committee members to vote "no"
    on the amendment.

    Feist said some schools have gender-neutral bathrooms. She
    acknowledged that female students use menstruation products more
    often, but said it is still important to have them in all
    bathrooms.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 7 23:19:39 2024
    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jul 2024 13:20:22 -0400, BTR atropos@mac.com wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net>
    wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>>>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >>>>>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal
    aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>> battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate >>>>> his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >>>> teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    When Minnesota Governor’s Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted Taxpayers
    To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Aug 7 20:22:56 2024
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jul 2024 13:20:22 -0400, BTR atropos@mac.com wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> >>>> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>>>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of
    children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal >>>>> aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist >>>>> country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take >>>>> responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>> battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he
    moderate
    his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons >>>> to teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted
    Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened
    when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in
    their old age or something?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Aug 7 20:29:39 2024
    In article <a9e8bjpe3jevjvch6skb715aia0eodress@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 18:33:22 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <lf08bjpup9ubqcnflss39leut0k0hs6ckb@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net>
    wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >> >>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of
    children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal
    aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >> >> battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he
    moderate
    his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >> >teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    You mean making tampons available for teenage girls in school that
    couldn't afford to buy their own?

    No, tampons-for-girls was already a thing. He crusaded for giving them
    to boys, making sure every boys' restroom had a tampon dispenser.

    So what was the reason given for doing that?

    You'll have to ask the progs. I have no idea why as a governor I'd
    choose to champion giving teenage boys tampons. I'm sure it has
    something to do with the Left's fixation on gender and pretending dudes
    wearing skirts actually makes them girls or something.

    Walz is on record as supporting California's policy of removing a minor
    child from the custody of a parent if they oppose "gender affirming
    care"-- which is code for genital mutilation surgery and irreversible
    hormone injections-- if their child claims to want it.

    The state will refuse you a tattoo until you're 18 because you're deemed
    to not have the maturity to make life-altering modifications to your
    body but if you want to cut off your penis and dig out a cavity between
    your legs that your body will forever treat as an unhealed wound, then
    you can make that decision at the age of 10 or 12 with no problem and if
    one of both of your parents says, "Hey, wait a minute, I don't think
    so," the state steps in and takes you away from them.

    And this is what Walz thinks is a good idea.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 7 23:31:24 2024
    On 8/7/2024 9:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <lf08bjpup9ubqcnflss39leut0k0hs6ckb@4ax.com>,
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children. >>>>
    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>>>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist
    country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>> battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate >>>> his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being
    aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >>> teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.


    You mean making tampons available for teenage girls in school that
    couldn't afford to buy their own?

    No, tampons-for-girls was already a thing. He crusaded for giving them
    to boys, making sure every boys' restroom had a tampon dispenser.

    "Trump Campaign Criticizes Walz for State Law Providing Tampons in
    Schools. The law, which was passed in Minnesota last year, includes
    language requiring menstrual products to be available in bathrooms of
    all schools for grades 4 to 12 as a way to accommodate transgender
    students." -NYTimes

    But you're right, of course. There must have been millions of tampons
    stolen by boys to sell to girls who never noticed the free ones...

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Thu Aug 8 00:30:18 2024
    On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 03:25:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 18:33:22 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    No, tampons-for-girls was already a thing. He crusaded for giving them
    to boys, making sure every boys' restroom had a tampon dispenser.

    So what was the reason given for doing that?

    I cited a story for you in the other followup but you didn't read it.

    Rep. Sandra Feist, a Democrat from New Brighton who pioneered
    the measure, said in January that the associated cost of the
    measure would be a "wise investment" because it would keep
    students from missing school due to "period poverty."

    "One out of every 10 menstruating youth miss school during their
    menstruating cycle due to lack of access to menstrual products
    and resources," Feist said in a House Education Finance
    Committee hearing.

    A Republican-backed amendment to add the word "female" to the
    bill failed in committee. "Not all students who menstruate are
    female," Feist said, persuading committee members to vote "no"
    on the amendment.

    Feist said some schools have gender-neutral bathrooms. She
    acknowledged that female students use menstruation products more
    often, but said it is still important to have them in all
    bathrooms.


    I now understand the real reason for doing it thanks to THE DAILY
    SHOW. Apparently young boys will put almost anything up their noses so
    the tampons will serve as material for their walrus improve acts.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 02:35:40 2024
    On 8/7/24 11:11 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 7:52:26 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    Kamala Harris picked Tim Walz as her VP pick, a truly safe pick.
    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota's governor either has extreme views or was too weak to stand up to activists opposed to the National Guard, he's in favor of citizen spying, and he's demanding the medicalization of gender confusion


    But you have no comments on the weirdo who likes to fuck couches?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 02:44:00 2024
    On 8/7/24 12:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal aliens. >>
    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist country. >>
    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take
    responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he moderate his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being aborted). >>
    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.


    That reminds me of when all those MAGAs were wearing maxipads on their
    ears in honor of Trump and his fake "assassination" attempt.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 02:45:30 2024
    On 8/7/24 12:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his
    battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this is certainly is not one of them.


    Speaking of word salad: "There's a lot to criticize about Walz but this
    is certainly not one of those a lots."


    What the fuck was that?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 02:48:08 2024
    On 8/7/24 12:33 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 7, 2024 at 10:20:56 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . . And Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, the other front-runner,
    was too divisive on Israel, they add, and risked overshadowing Harris.

    How is one not divisive on Israel? Overshadowing Harris, 'cuz she's got
    too little personality? Oh, that's mean.

    [Gov Tim Walz D-Minn]

    But three major controversies threaten Walz's image as a moderate. Walz
    waited
    three days before asking for the deployment of the National Guard after Black
    Lives Matter protests turned into fiery riots that destroyed hundreds of >>> businesses in. . . .

    I'm not commenting on the rest. I've done a bit of reading on Josh
    Shapiro and I've come to like the guy. There were some economic policies
    he implemented that I didn't agree with but nothing unusual for a
    Democrat. Generally, I liked that he figured out how to work with
    Republicans in the state legislature as they either had the majority or
    were close to even. Kamala lacks legislative skills and this would have
    been important. Also I really wanted the anti-Semites to be pissed off.

    Can you comment further on deploying the National Guard? During Lori
    Lightfoot's administration, there were repeated episodes of large-scale
    looting and vandalism and some violent crime. There were a few arsons
    but it wasn't widespread like the King riots of 1968.

    It was nothing compared to other cities.

    But we repeatedly had calls to deploy the National Guard, especially in
    response to increasing violent crime not associated with looting in
    other parts of the city.

    Why is calling out the National Guard the go-to response for trouble?
    They aren't police; they don't investigate crime.

    No, but they stop the shenanigans cold. But soldiers on every corner in tanks and Humvees with full-auto rifles and the miscreants usually suddenly realize they have other things to do.


    Either you misspelled the word "Put" or this is just more word salad.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 02:59:55 2024
    On 8/7/24 8:29 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90lnj$3behl$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    The wife of Democrat VP-pick Tim Walz said during an interview in 2020 that >> she kept her windows open for as long as she could so she could smell the
    burning of tires rioters set on fire during the Minneapolis-area riots in
    response to the death of George Floyd.

    During the 2020 riots, cities like Minneapolis burned, costing hundreds of >> millions of dollars in damage. Gov. Walz has been criticized for his slow
    response to the destruction and violence by the left-wing protesters.

    "We had more sleepless nights during the riots," Gwen Walz told an ABC News >> affiliate back in July 2020. "I could smell the burning tires, and that was a
    very real thing. I kept the windows open as long as I could because I felt >> like that was such a touchstone of what was happening."

    That's almost as good as Michelle Obama saying she was never proud to be
    an American until the moment they nominated her husband for president.

    Of course the media will ignore it. Some ancient joking comment Vance
    made about cat ladies


    You misspelled "judgemental horseshit." Hope this helps. You're a
    childless cat lady, aren't you?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 03:03:20 2024
    On 8/7/24 8:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p36$3c238$3@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 1:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's.

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >>> teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    Do they? I guess Kamala won't be winning Minnesota, then...

    Well, she's hoping to counter that by passing over Shapiro in favor of
    Walz. Distracts from that annoying Jewish taint, so important to win
    over the votes of Minnesota's large Somali population.


    Show us you're a political moron without saying you're a political moron:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/election-2016-vice-president-selection-matters-less-than-you-think-213805/


    Why VPs Matter Less Than You Think

    Presidential nominees love to consider home state advantage when
    choosing their running mates. But a vice president's state turns out to
    make no difference in an election.


    Zero self awareness noted.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 03:05:17 2024
    On 8/7/24 8:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v918i8$3krk9$1@dont-email.me>,
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I didn't know that conditional promotion was a thing in the Army. I
    thought you had to meet all prerequisites first, then the promotion
    board would consider the promotion.

    My dad was promoted from colonel to brigadier general but he didn't
    serve long enough as a general so when he retired, his rank was
    colonel.

    If he'd been offered UNIT, would he have re-upped?

    Only if it came with a ride in the TARDIS.


    You've done it! This shit is so fucking lame I don't even have a clever
    quip for it!!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to trotsky on Thu Aug 8 11:28:18 2024
    trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 8/7/24 11:11 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2024 at 7:52:26 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> >> wrote:

    Kamala Harris picked Tim Walz as her VP pick, a truly safe pick.
    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota's governor either has extreme views or was too weak to stand up to >> activists opposed to the National Guard, he's in favor of citizen spying, and
    he's demanding the medicalization of gender confusion

    But you have no comments on the weirdo who likes to fuck couches?

    Which, of course, is a made-up lie, so why would anyone with any integrity
    feel the need to comment on it?

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Thu Aug 8 04:30:47 2024
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz once fled from police during a 90s DUI (driving under the influence) arrest and later blamed deafness as the cause, though court records dispute his claim.

    On Tuesday, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris announced Walz as her running mate. Following the announcement, numerous stories resurfaced about WalzÆs past, including his 1995 DUI arrest, Newsweek reported.

    According to a court transcript obtained by the outlet, Walz was driving in excess of 90 miles per hour in a 55 mph speed zone when police pulled him
    over.

    He failed a sobriety test and a breath test in which his blood-alcohol level registered at 0.128%, which was way above the stateÆs legal limit at the time of .08%, according to a Nebraska state trooperÆs report, the New York Post noted.

    The report also noted that ôa strong odor of alcoholic beverage was detected emitting from Mr. Walz[æs] breath and person.ö The governor was then booked into Dawes County Jail.

    Since Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is officially being reported as a
    favorite to become the VP pick for Kamala Harris.

    Here he is pictured from his DUI arrest where he was going 96 in a
    55. He then lied to police about being deaf in an attempt to avoid
    his arrest. pic.twitter.com/HVMznZaNe5

    ù Dustin Grage (@GrageDustin) August 5, 2024

    In court, his attorney claimed Walz had only fled from police because he mistakenly thought he was being chased by someone, but he finally pulled over once the officer turned on his siren, Newsweek noted.

    ôThis is a little bit bizarre, but Mr. Walz thought somebody was chasing him. The officer didnÆt turn on his red lights and he ù somebody came up real fast behind him and he didnÆt know what they were doing,ö WalzÆs lawyer Russell Harford told the judge.

    ôSo he sped up to try to get away, fearing that somebody was after him. Lo
    and behold, it was a state patrolman that was behind him, so the faster he went, the faster the state patrol officer went,ö he added.

    ôFinally, he did turn on his red lights,ö Harford continued. ôThe speed was fairly excessive, judge, a lot over the speed limit. I donÆt even know what
    was alleged in the complaint, it may have been 90 something. Mr. Walz had beenùhad been drinking, so I think thereÆs a sufficient factual basis, judge, to support the plea,ö Harford added.

    Walz was initially charged with driving under the influence, but ended up having the charges dropped to reckless driving after taking a plea agreement
    in which he had to admit that he ôdrove a vehicle in a manner as to indicate
    an indifference or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property,ö according to Alpha News.

    In 2006, Walz ran for Congress in Minnesota and when the issue of the DUI
    came up, his campaign manager Kerry Greeley told the Post Bulletin out of Rochester, Minnesota, that Walz wasnÆt drunk.

    ôHe couldnÆt understand what the officer was saying to him,ö Greeley then claimed, saying Walz had suffered some kind of hearing loss from his time in the Army National Guard, the Post noted.

    The Post noted that court records involving WalzÆs DUI arrest and the state trooperÆs report do not back up the hearing loss claim.

    Walz reportedly has previously said he was not drunk at the time, Newsweek noted.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to no_email@invalid.invalid on Thu Aug 8 09:20:19 2024
    no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
    trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
    On 8/7/24 8:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    My dad was promoted from colonel to brigadier general but he didn't
    serve long enough as a general so when he retired, his rank was
    colonel.

    If he'd been offered UNIT, would he have re-upped?

    Only if it came with a ride in the TARDIS.

    You've done it! This shit is so fucking lame I don't even have a clever
    quip for it!!

    Don't kid yourself, Hutt, you reeking chunk of flotsam. You haven't had a >clever quip since the Reagan Administration.

    You're being generous.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Thu Aug 8 13:42:12 2024
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    Oh yeah! I remember posting about this at the time.

    Nothing like playing racism with treating a deadly disease. But it's okay
    with Democrats because it was whites who were being discriminated against.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 11:06:35 2024
    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Jul 2024 13:20:22 -0400, BTR atropos@mac.com wrote:

    On Aug 6, 2024 at 11:46:13 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> >>>>>> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>>>>>
    Tampon Tim? Realy?

    The Jihad Squad wholeheartedly endorsed him.

    Walz signed an exec order protecting the genital mutilation of
    children.

    Walz voted for Obama's deal with Iran.

    Walz made MN a sanctuary state and gave driver licenses to illegal >>>>>>> aliens.

    Walz created a state DEI council that declared America as a racist >>>>>>> country.

    Walz supported the Black Lies Matter rioters, then refused to take >>>>>>> responsibility for letting the city burn.

    Walz lied about his military service, conveniently retiring before his >>>>>>> battalion was to be sent to Iraq.

    Walz is so pro-abortion that Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi suggested he >>>>>>> moderate
    his

    views (he accidentally voted to protect babies who survived being >>>>>>> aborted).

    Walz implemented a Wuhan Flu snitch line.

    Walz changed MN's "problematic" state flag to resemble Somalia's. >>>>>>
    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons >>>>>> to teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted
    Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost? >>>
    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened
    when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in
    their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more
    activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 09:09:05 2024
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted
    Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost? >>>
    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and
    staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered
    in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was
    in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples.

    But regardless, Walz was perfectly happy to live in his personal
    residence so obviously it was a viable workaround during the remodeling,
    he just wanted the taxpayers to give him $17,000 monthly for doing it.
    Would the $17,000 somehow expand his house's capacity or something? Was
    he suggesting that the taxpayers not only pay to remodel the official
    residence but to remodel and expand his own residence as well?

    If the Minnesota governor's office isn't already in the state capitol or somewhere similar, Walz could easily live in his house while the
    official residence was being remodeled and commute to a temporary
    government office set up for him in a state government building. You
    know, like everyone else does. Better that than the taxpayers shell out $17,000/month to him for no discernible reason or public benefit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 09:45:21 2024
    In article <v92s6a$3l6k$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/8/2024 12:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home. >>>>>>
    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what >>>>>> cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened >>> when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in >>> their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more
    activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered
    in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was
    in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples.

    But regardless, Walz was perfectly happy to live in his personal
    residence so obviously it was a viable workaround during the remodeling,
    he just wanted the taxpayers to give him $17,000 monthly for doing it. Would the $17,000 somehow expand his house's capacity or something? Was
    he suggesting that the taxpayers not only pay to remodel the official residence but to remodel and expand his own residence as well?

    If the Minnesota governor's office isn't already in the state capitol or somewhere similar, Walz could easily live in his house while the
    official residence was being remodeled and commute to a temporary government office set up for him in a state government building. You
    know, like everyone else does. Better that than the taxpayers shell out $17,000/month to him for no discernible reason or public benefit.

    These seem to be the facts: Walz was living and conducting business in
    the Governor's mansion, which needed remodeling.

    Nope. According to the State of Minnesota's official website, the
    governor's office is in the state capitol, so he was not conducting
    business in the mansion. Which means he could easily use his own
    residence during the remodeling-- something he himself said he was fine
    with doing-- and there's no need for taxpayers to pay him $17,000/month.

    He planned to move those activities to a $17k/mo. location, but
    ultimately settled on a $4k/mo. one. Afaics, a scandal only for the desperate...

    He didn't even need to bilk the taxpayers for $4000/month. It should
    cost taxpayers literally nothing for him to live in his own home. Or did
    he suddenly abandon the idea of using his own home the moment he learned
    he wasn't going to get a monthly stipend of other people's money?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 12:36:25 2024
    On 8/8/2024 12:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost? >>>>>
    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened
    when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in
    their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more
    activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and
    staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered
    in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was
    in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples.

    But regardless, Walz was perfectly happy to live in his personal
    residence so obviously it was a viable workaround during the remodeling,
    he just wanted the taxpayers to give him $17,000 monthly for doing it.
    Would the $17,000 somehow expand his house's capacity or something? Was
    he suggesting that the taxpayers not only pay to remodel the official residence but to remodel and expand his own residence as well?

    If the Minnesota governor's office isn't already in the state capitol or somewhere similar, Walz could easily live in his house while the
    official residence was being remodeled and commute to a temporary
    government office set up for him in a state government building. You
    know, like everyone else does. Better that than the taxpayers shell out $17,000/month to him for no discernible reason or public benefit.

    These seem to be the facts: Walz was living and conducting business in
    the Governor's mansion, which needed remodeling. He planned to move
    those activities to a $17k/mo. location, but ultimately settled on a
    $4k/mo. one. Afaics, a scandal only for the desperate...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Aug 8 10:44:44 2024
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:06:10 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Everyone in the military knows that you can't just retire whenever you want. >You sign an enlistment contract, typically for six years at a time. Walz's >fourth enlistment ended and he retired. He served his country honorably for 24 >years and retired at the rank of command sergeant major and deserves to be >respected for it. What more do you want?

    CSM is about as high as it gets in the NCO ranks...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Aug 8 10:43:53 2024
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    I dunno - when we were in high school we used tampons for cleaning
    windshields. That and slipping them into equipment bags belonging to
    varsity basketball players to get a reaction out of them.

    Up there with the guy who unscrewed the shower head during a
    basketball game and inserted powdered blue paint into the head
    ensuring the first guy to shower after the game got more than a
    shower.....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 14:53:20 2024
    On 8/8/2024 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92s6a$3l6k$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/8/2024 12:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home. >>>>>>>>
    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what >>>>>>>> cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.) >>>>>
    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened >>>>> when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in >>>>> their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more >>>> activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and
    staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered >>> in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was >>> in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples. >>>
    But regardless, Walz was perfectly happy to live in his personal
    residence so obviously it was a viable workaround during the remodeling, >>> he just wanted the taxpayers to give him $17,000 monthly for doing it.
    Would the $17,000 somehow expand his house's capacity or something? Was
    he suggesting that the taxpayers not only pay to remodel the official
    residence but to remodel and expand his own residence as well?

    If the Minnesota governor's office isn't already in the state capitol or >>> somewhere similar, Walz could easily live in his house while the
    official residence was being remodeled and commute to a temporary
    government office set up for him in a state government building. You
    know, like everyone else does. Better that than the taxpayers shell out
    $17,000/month to him for no discernible reason or public benefit.

    These seem to be the facts: Walz was living and conducting business in
    the Governor's mansion, which needed remodeling.

    Nope. According to the State of Minnesota's official website, the
    governor's office is in the state capitol, so he was not conducting
    business in the mansion. Which means he could easily use his own
    residence during the remodeling-- something he himself said he was fine
    with doing-- and there's no need for taxpayers to pay him $17,000/month.

    He planned to move those activities to a $17k/mo. location, but
    ultimately settled on a $4k/mo. one. Afaics, a scandal only for the
    desperate...

    He didn't even need to bilk the taxpayers for $4000/month. It should
    cost taxpayers literally nothing for him to live in his own home. Or did
    he suddenly abandon the idea of using his own home the moment he learned
    he wasn't going to get a monthly stipend of other people's money?

    Okay, if he said he was "fine" returning to his own house, how did that
    not happen? And if it *had* happened, *was* he, in fact, to be
    personally compensated? In any event, I'd be very surprised to learn
    that a Governor's residence bears no duties of state beyond office work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Thu Aug 8 14:56:25 2024
    On 8/8/2024 1:43 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to
    teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    I dunno - when we were in high school we used tampons for cleaning windshields. That and slipping them into equipment bags belonging to
    varsity basketball players to get a reaction out of them.

    Up there with the guy who unscrewed the shower head during a
    basketball game and inserted powdered blue paint into the head
    ensuring the first guy to shower after the game got more than a
    shower.....

    Wait, who stands under a shower while they turn it on?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 12:05:41 2024
    In article <v93472$5v9o$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/8/2024 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92s6a$3l6k$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/8/2024 12:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home. >>>>>>>>
    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what >>>>>>>> cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.) >>>>>
    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened >>>>> when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in >>>>> their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more >>>> activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and >>> staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered >>> in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was >>> in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples. >>>
    But regardless, Walz was perfectly happy to live in his personal
    residence so obviously it was a viable workaround during the remodeling, >>> he just wanted the taxpayers to give him $17,000 monthly for doing it. >>> Would the $17,000 somehow expand his house's capacity or something? Was >>> he suggesting that the taxpayers not only pay to remodel the official
    residence but to remodel and expand his own residence as well?

    If the Minnesota governor's office isn't already in the state capitol or >>> somewhere similar, Walz could easily live in his house while the
    official residence was being remodeled and commute to a temporary
    government office set up for him in a state government building. You
    know, like everyone else does. Better that than the taxpayers shell out >>> $17,000/month to him for no discernible reason or public benefit.

    These seem to be the facts: Walz was living and conducting business in
    the Governor's mansion, which needed remodeling.

    Nope. According to the State of Minnesota's official website, the governor's office is in the state capitol, so he was not conducting business in the mansion. Which means he could easily use his own
    residence during the remodeling-- something he himself said he was fine with doing-- and there's no need for taxpayers to pay him $17,000/month.

    He planned to move those activities to a $17k/mo. location, but
    ultimately settled on a $4k/mo. one. Afaics, a scandal only for the
    desperate...

    He didn't even need to bilk the taxpayers for $4000/month. It should
    cost taxpayers literally nothing for him to live in his own home. Or did
    he suddenly abandon the idea of using his own home the moment he learned
    he wasn't going to get a monthly stipend of other people's money?

    Okay, if he said he was "fine" returning to his own house, how did that
    not happen?

    Perhaps, as I said, he suddenly lost interest in it when his gambit to
    leech off $17,000/month in tax money became impossible to spin.

    And if it *had* happened, *was* he, in fact, to be personally compensated?

    Who else would the money to live in his own home go to?

    In any event, I'd be very surprised to learn
    that a Governor's residence bears no duties of state beyond office work.

    Certainly nothing that costs the taxpayers $17,000/month.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Aug 8 19:07:38 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>>Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>>the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened >>>when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in >>>their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more >>activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and
    staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered
    in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was
    in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples.

    This is undoubtably true in every state capital. When I worked in St.
    Louis and Jefferson City Missouri for a year, both the governor and
    lt. governor had formal ceremonial offices in the Capitol. Both had working offices elsewhere. The lt. governor had a working office below the main
    level, on the parking garage level. He would never receive visitors there
    on matters of state but it was good enough for staff. It truly demonstrates where the lt. governor stood in state government. Worse still, when the Missouri River had major flooding the following year (Jefferson City is
    in the Missouri River valley), this level of the Capitol was damaged.
    Flood waters didn't rise high enough to damage offices on the the main level
    or the legislative chambers.

    Now that I think about it, I never looked at the governor's mansion,
    which would have been just a house, never had a reason to go there. The
    lt. governor didn't get a parsonage. I don't know of any state in which
    he does.

    The White House is the exception, that it's the residence and the
    ceremonial office of state of the president, and a portion of his senior executive staff works there. Versailles it ain't.

    It's also an exception that the vice president has a residence.

    . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Aug 8 19:39:19 2024
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    . . .

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted Taxpayers >>>To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    That wouldn't have been possible given that he must live in St. Paul
    much of the time during the legislative sessions.

    Here's a news article from a television station about the temporary
    governor's residence on Sunfish Lake during the summer 2023 renovation
    of the governor's mansion for $6.3 million, an English Tudor-style
    mansion from the early 1900s.

    The six-month lease was $315,000.

    Walz family moving to Sunfish Lake property during renovation on
    governor's mansion
    A $6.3 million renovation on the Governor's Residence, located in St.
    Paul's historic Summit Avenue neighborhood, is slated to begin this
    summer.
    by Alexandra Simon
    KARE-TV NBC affiliate Channel 11
    Updated: 6:36 PM CDT March 28, 2023 https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/governor-walz-family-moving-to-sunfish-lake-property-mansion-renovation/89-c8a974bb-34ef-42e0-881a-c1062419eaca

    Ah. This article says the Sunfish Lake property -- owned by a Republican
    who had run for US Senate -- would have been leased for a year, plus the
    state agreed to install new carpeting for $15,000. Sunfish Lake is in
    Dakota County, west of South St. Paul.

    https://www.startribune.com/walz-family-to-move-as-the-governors-residence-gets-6-3m-makeover/600262371

    Instead, they moved into Eastcliff Mansion, University of Minnesota
    campus in Minneapolis. Also, the lease is until September 2024, given
    how long the renovation is expected to take. The lease is $4,400 a
    month. The state will pay for utilities and exterior maintenance.

    https://mndaily.com/276837/news/umn-regents-elect-co-vice-chairs-discuss-presidential-transition/

    https://mndaily.com/278042/news/walz-family-move-into-eastcliff/

    I find no information on why the university owns the mansion. It's
    typical that a university president lives on campus in a mansion, given
    how much entertaining he is required to do for fundraising purposes.

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Thu Aug 8 13:15:04 2024
    On 8/8/2024 10:43 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 17:02:14 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to
    teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    I dunno - when we were in high school we used tampons for cleaning windshields. That and slipping them into equipment bags belonging to
    varsity basketball players to get a reaction out of them.

    Up there with the guy who unscrewed the shower head during a
    basketball game and inserted powdered blue paint into the head
    ensuring the first guy to shower after the game got more than a
    shower.....

    Someone said they're excellent for nose bleeds. That's probably the #1
    use among high school boys. The Coach knew this and having them
    available in the boys bathroom/locker room prevents them from having to
    go into the girls room.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 8 18:01:32 2024
    On 8/8/2024 3:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v93472$5v9o$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/8/2024 12:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92s6a$3l6k$1@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/8/2024 12:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home. >>>>>>>>>>
    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what >>>>>>>>>> cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>>>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.) >>>>>>>
    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened >>>>>>> when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in >>>>>>> their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more >>>>>> activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and >>>>> staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered >>>>> in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was >>>>> in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples. >>>>>
    But regardless, Walz was perfectly happy to live in his personal
    residence so obviously it was a viable workaround during the remodeling, >>>>> he just wanted the taxpayers to give him $17,000 monthly for doing it. >>>>> Would the $17,000 somehow expand his house's capacity or something? Was >>>>> he suggesting that the taxpayers not only pay to remodel the official >>>>> residence but to remodel and expand his own residence as well?

    If the Minnesota governor's office isn't already in the state capitol or >>>>> somewhere similar, Walz could easily live in his house while the
    official residence was being remodeled and commute to a temporary
    government office set up for him in a state government building. You >>>>> know, like everyone else does. Better that than the taxpayers shell out >>>>> $17,000/month to him for no discernible reason or public benefit.

    These seem to be the facts: Walz was living and conducting business in >>>> the Governor's mansion, which needed remodeling.

    Nope. According to the State of Minnesota's official website, the
    governor's office is in the state capitol, so he was not conducting
    business in the mansion. Which means he could easily use his own
    residence during the remodeling-- something he himself said he was fine
    with doing-- and there's no need for taxpayers to pay him $17,000/month. >>>
    He planned to move those activities to a $17k/mo. location, but
    ultimately settled on a $4k/mo. one. Afaics, a scandal only for the
    desperate...

    He didn't even need to bilk the taxpayers for $4000/month. It should
    cost taxpayers literally nothing for him to live in his own home. Or did >>> he suddenly abandon the idea of using his own home the moment he learned >>> he wasn't going to get a monthly stipend of other people's money?

    Okay, if he said he was "fine" returning to his own house, how did that
    not happen?

    Perhaps, as I said, he suddenly lost interest in it when his gambit to
    leech off $17,000/month in tax money became impossible to spin.

    'Perhaps' doesn't cut it. Hell, it doesn't even bend it...


    And if it *had* happened, *was* he, in fact, to be personally compensated?

    Who else would the money to live in his own home go to?

    If he incurred expenses in conducting the state's business from his
    home, I assume any state would pick those up. But you seem to think he
    was to receive an additional fixed fee of some sort. As an
    "inconvenience" charge? Where is your micro-shred of proof of that?


    In any event, I'd be very surprised to learn
    that a Governor's residence bears no duties of state beyond office work.

    Certainly nothing that costs the taxpayers $17,000/month.

    As I understand it, that was the lease on the lakefront property, which would've gone to the owners. How is that amount relevant?

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to no_email@invalid.invalid on Thu Aug 8 18:30:43 2024
    no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents >> for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    Oh yeah! I remember posting about this at the time.

    Yeah, I remember too, but didn;t realize it was this man.

    --\
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 04:35:57 2024
    On 8/8/24 11:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost? >>>>>
    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened
    when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in
    their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more
    activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and
    staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered
    in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was
    in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples.


    Fuck, I hate to say you're right, but you're right. That was really
    pretty silly of pig to say that.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 04:36:49 2024
    On 8/8/24 8:42 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents >> for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    Oh yeah! I remember posting about this at the time.


    I don't remember that. Prove it you fucking weasel.

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 04:38:04 2024
    On 8/8/24 8:42 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents >> for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    Oh yeah! I remember posting about this at the time.

    Nothing like playing racism with treating a deadly disease. But it's okay with Democrats because it was whites who were being discriminated against.


    It is funny as fuck, though, to hear this from the party of racism./

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 04:39:41 2024
    On 8/8/24 8:42 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Governor Tim Walz (D-MN) says that there is "no guarantee to free speech"
    when it comes to "misinformation or hate speech," and argued on MSNBC that >> there needed to be some "pushback" on those things.

    (1) He's unequivocally wrong that misinformation and hate speech are not protected by the 1st Amendment. 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence says they
    are.


    You're unequivocally wrong. There's no guarantee of free speech unless
    you're specifically talking about govt. entities.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Fri Aug 9 04:30:45 2024
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota Governor Tim Walz (D) signed a law last year that removed language clarifying that pedophiles were excluded from the definition of sexual orientation.

    Walz was tapped as Vice President Kamala HarrisÆ running mate on Tuesday, prompting scrutiny of his progressive record on LGBT and other issues.

    On May 19 of last year, Walz signed the Judiciary and Public Safety bill,
    which included the Take Pride Act, which had an amendment that updated the definition of ôsexual orientation.ö

    Tim Walz at his signing of legislation to make Minnesota a
    sanctuary for children who want transgender medical interventions
    last year pic.twitter.com/mZMyt1VoGI

    ù Mairead Elordi (@JohnsonHildy) August 6, 2024

    Previously, Minnesota law had taken pains to explicitly exclude pedophiles
    from the definition of sexual orientation, making it clear that pedophiles
    are not part of the same protected category as gay people, for example.

    ôæSexual orientationÆ does not include a physical or sexual attachment to children by an adult,ö read the old version of the law.

    That sentence was struck in the new version of the law that Walz signed.

    Minnesota law now simply defines ôsexual orientationö as ôto whom someone is, or is perceived of as being, emotionally, physically, or sexually attracted
    to based on sex or gender identity. A person may be attracted to men, women, both, neither, or to people who are genderqueer, androgynous, or have other gender identities.ö

    The Take Pride Act also added a definition of gender identity to Minnesota
    law, defining it as ôa personÆs inherent sense of being a man, woman, both,
    or neitherö that ômay or may not correspond to their assigned sex at birth or to their primary or secondary sex characteristicsö and is ônot necessarily visible to others.ö

    The bill removes ôoutdated language that wrongly prejudices LGBTQIA+
    community members by attempting to tie sexual orientation to criminal acts,ö the Minnesota Department of Human Rights said.

    State Representative Leigh Finke (D), a trans-identifying man representing
    the Twin Cities, was behind the amendment that eliminated the language about pedophiles.

    During a committee hearing on the bill, Finke, who took office last year,
    said his amendment ômodernizes our Human Rights Act.ö

    ôItÆs important that we continue to evolve our laws and our understanding of what it means to be a full and authentic human,ö Finke said. ôWe do this throughout history, throughout time, and this is a great moment for us to expand what it means to be a person and to protect all of us. ThatÆs what my bill does.ö

    Sporting half-dyed blue hair and a rainbow dress, Finke was also photographed with his arm around Walz when the governor signed a different law that
    doubled down on legal transgender medical interventions for children like hormone treatments and surgeries.

    Walz also signed legislation allowing Minnesota to seize custody of a child whose parents refuse to provide ôgender affirming careö and banned
    ôconversion therapy,ö a vague term often used to dismiss talk therapy wherein mental health professionals help make children comfortable with their biological sex, rather than shunting them towards transgender surgeries and hormone treatments.

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to trotsky on Fri Aug 9 11:44:03 2024
    On 8/9/2024 5:35 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 8/8/24 11:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v92mts$1vil$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 11:22 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v91dgc$3lvnf$2@dont-email.me>,
       moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 9:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v90p0q$3c238$2@dont-email.me>,
        moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 4:36 PM, NoBody wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted >>>>>>>> Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home. >>>>>>>
    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at
    what cost?

    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to >>>>>> the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Equal capacity for what? Did he and his wife suddenly become embiggened >>>> when he was elected? Did they suddenly have a whole herd of children in >>>> their old age or something?

    I presume that, like the White House, a Governor's mansion houses more
    activity than a place to sleep and dinner with the family.

    The Texas governor's mansion is just a house. The governor's office and
    staff are in the state capitol building a few blocks away. I volunteered
    in the Massachusetts governor's office when I was a kid and it, too, was
    in the state capitol, not in the governor's residence. Just two examples.

    Fuck, I hate to say you're right, but you're right. That was really
    pretty silly of pig to say that.

    I just found it hard to believe that a state government makes no
    extraordinary demands of its Governor's residence. I still do.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 09:17:19 2024
    On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 17:31:17 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to
    teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    Do they? I guess Kamala won't be winning Minnesota, then...

    Very strange - what was the rationale for that?

    My only past knowledge of tampons for men was in high school where our basketball team was actually 2 teams - the senior teams and the
    'junior varsity' (who usually played their games as the warm up for
    the big game) and since the JV players were showering while the top
    team was playing and since visiting teams normally changed in the
    girls' dressing room, we had a couple of cases of guy buying tampons
    from the vending machine and slipping them into the star's (who later
    played pro football at 6'8" 275 lbs) equipment bag and waiting for the
    fun when he changed after the game.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Aug 9 09:23:13 2024
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 20:22:56 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted
    Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost? >> >
    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Even if his home required modification for security reasons (cameras,
    place for security personnel to work etc) that should have been a one
    time expense - not a fixed fee every month.

    The prime minister of Canada has NEVER lived in his official residence
    (it's under renovation - though Rhino and I have argued the 130 year
    old house should be demolished and something nice built on the grounds
    with all the 21st century security features built in for 1/4 the cost
    of the reno. Meanwhile Justin Trudeau has been living in the
    caretaker's bungalow close by still within the security perimeter.
    Note that unlike the White House and #10 Downing Street, his home is
    strictly a home and does not contain his main office)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 09:28:36 2024
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 04:30:47 -0400, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
    wrote:

    ôSo he sped up to try to get away, fearing that somebody was after him. Lo >and behold, it was a state patrolman that was behind him, so the faster he >went, the faster the state patrol officer went,ö he added.

    ôFinally, he did turn on his red lights,ö Harford continued. ôThe speed was >fairly excessive, judge, a lot over the speed limit. I donÆt even know what >was alleged in the complaint, it may have been 90 something. Mr. Walz had >beenùhad been drinking, so I think thereÆs a sufficient factual basis, judge, >to support the plea,ö Harford added.

    Sounds like something that happened to my grandfather some 40 years
    ago - the police car had his high beams on so my grandfather sped up
    to get away from them with the rest of the story being he got up to
    80+ before the flashers came on. While writing the ticket the officer
    asked him why he was speeding on a country road my grandfather said
    that he was trying to get away from the car behind him (and pointed to
    the police car).

    The officer said "Oh right - sorry about that" and tore up the ticket.

    So I can very much believe this story. (Though in my grandfather's
    case he was a lifelong teetotaller)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 09:33:24 2024
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 04:30:49 -0400, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
    wrote:

    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents >for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    In Minnesota, an ôethical frameworkö prioritized black 18-year-olds over >elderly whites, even though the elderly were at a much higher risk of severe >complications due to COVID, the Free Beacon reported in January 2022.

    The racial discrimination stemmed from the FDAÆs guidance when authorizing >monoclonal antibodies and oral antivirals for emergency use. The FDA only >authorized these treatments for ôhigh riskö patients, and included race as a >factor determining someone to be ôhigh risk.ö

    I was furious with my provincial government around that time since I
    (an age 60+ diabetic) was put to the end of the vaccine queue behind 18-year-old aboriginals (which is what proper Canadians call Indians
    these days) including those who were in perfect health and in close
    range to hospitals. I eventually got my shots but given I was working
    in my star dealing with customers every day throughout the pandemic
    (it was that or close my store and default on my line of credit) I
    slept on the couch for two years (my late wife was an anti-vaxer) to
    reduce the risk to other family members.

    So yes I very much DO understand Minnesotan's outrage at playing
    racial roulette over vaccine availability.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 09:36:46 2024
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:42:12 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Governor Tim Walz (D-MN) says that there is "no guarantee to free speech"
    when it comes to "misinformation or hate speech," and argued on MSNBC that >> there needed to be some "pushback" on those things.

    (1) He's unequivocally wrong that misinformation and hate speech are not >protected by the 1st Amendment. 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence says they
    are.

    My immediate reaction to that statement was "What the h*ll does he
    think the whole furor over the ACLU supporting the Nazis at Skokie, IL
    was all about?!?"

    Does Walz actually think they should have been arrested on their
    march?

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Aug 9 09:38:57 2024
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 09:45:21 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    He didn't even need to bilk the taxpayers for $4000/month. It should
    cost taxpayers literally nothing for him to live in his own home. Or did
    he suddenly abandon the idea of using his own home the moment he learned
    he wasn't going to get a monthly stipend of other people's money?

    More like "the moment he learned state Republicans and the press were
    going to make hay over it"!

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 09:40:41 2024
    On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 14:56:25 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    I dunno - when we were in high school we used tampons for cleaning
    windshields. That and slipping them into equipment bags belonging to
    varsity basketball players to get a reaction out of them.

    Up there with the guy who unscrewed the shower head during a
    basketball game and inserted powdered blue paint into the head
    ensuring the first guy to shower after the game got more than a
    shower.....

    Wait, who stands under a shower while they turn it on?

    I dunno but I saw the screaming guy coming out of the shower area
    calling the name of his best friend who he assumed (correctly) was the perpetrator...

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Aug 9 10:35:48 2024
    In article <v94vat$mt51$6@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota Governor Tim Walz (D) signed a law last year that removed language clarifying that pedophiles were excluded from the definition of sexual orientation.

    This is the next hurdle in the Democrat Sexual Perversion Olympics: the normalization of pedophilia. Once they've sufficiently injected troons
    into all aspects of modern society, backed up with laws enforcing it,
    they'll move on to making us accept pedophiles next.

    It's already happening within the halls of far-left academia, with one professor after another writing papers on how being a pedophile is akin
    to a birth defect, something an individual is born with and can't
    control, therefore it's inhumane to punish them for it.

    As you might expect, they've already come up with the new alternate
    jargon you'll be required to use for pedos-- they call them
    "minor-attracted persons", or MAPs-- so they can brand anyone who uses
    the actual and more accurate term pedophile as bigots.

    They're running the same playbook with pedos as they have with troons,
    and this bill Walz signed that will allow pedophilia to be legally
    recognized as a sexual orientation on par with all others is just
    another brick in that weird perverted wall.

    Sporting half-dyed blue hair and a rainbow dress, Finke was also
    photographed with his arm around Walz when the governor signed a different law that doubled down on legal transgender medical interventions for
    children like hormone treatments and surgeries.

    And someone here on RAT told me I was lying about Walz's support for
    child mutilation. Imagine that.

    Walz also signed legislation allowing Minnesota to seize custody of a child whose parents refuse to provide "gender affirming care"

    Oh, so he's gone and done it. Last I heard he was only admiring
    California's law that allows for the state to seize your children from
    you if you won't let them have their genitals hacked off. I didn't
    realize he'd actually managed to get the same law passed in Minnesota as
    well.

    and banned "conversion therapy", a vague term often used to dismiss talk therapy wherein mental health professionals help make children comfortable with their biological sex, rather than shunting them towards transgender surgeries and hormone treatments.

    So in other words, if your boy comes home and declares himself to be a
    girl, if you try and talk him out of it, if you do anything other than
    say, "Why yes, you are!" and sign him up for a penis-ectomy, he'll be
    removed from your custody, given the surgery by the state, and you'll be arrested for "conversion therapy".

    Progress!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Aug 9 10:53:59 2024
    In article <YnOdnUedyYhTRCj7nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents >> for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    Oh yeah! I remember posting about this at the time.

    Yeah, I remember too, but didn;t realize it was this man.

    Minnesota under Walz is also the state where, in the case of the need to
    reduce staff (i.e., fire people) in the public school system, they
    changed the rules from "last hired, first fired" to "white teachers and
    staff get fired first". That's patently illegal, of course, and violates
    the Constitution in about a half-dozen different ways, but it shows you
    where Walz's intentions are.

    And they changed the rules on punishing students for misbehavior,
    requiring teachers and staff to take into consideration a student's race
    when meting out discipline. So if a white kid and a black kid commit the
    same offense, the black kid is punished more leniently because he has to
    live with "structural racism" every day.

    Progress!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Ubiquitous on Fri Aug 9 10:45:55 2024
    In article <v94ut0$mt51$4@dont-email.me>,
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    As Somali refugees in Minnesota waged gang wars and engaged in child sex trafficking, Governor Tim Walz pushed for even more refugees to be resettled in his state.

    "Refugees strengthen our communities. Bringing new cultures and fresh perspectives, they contribute to the social fabric of our state," Walz said in his letter to Pompeo.

    But Somali refugees brought more than fresh perspectives to Minnesota. Since at least 2009, members of MinneapolisÆs Somali refugee community have formed gangs along the same clan lines that plunged Somalia into civil war. Members of the gangs-- many of whom fled Somalia to escape clan warfare-- engaged in what appeared to be targeted murders against one another. In 2008 the Minneapolis Police Department created a special Somali Liaison position in an attempt to stem the violence.

    In 2012, authorities uncovered a Somali child sex trafficking ring operating out of Minneapolis and St. Paul, as well as Columbus, Ohio and Nashville, Tennessee. Multiple girls under the age of 14 had been forced into prostitution by three different Somali gangs, resulting in the 30 different defendants-- many of whom were allowed into the United States as refugees-- being charged by federal authorities.

    What is wrong with you people? These aren't problems. Minnesota is just experiencing the joys of multiculturalism.

    Don't you know that you Americans are the only people on earth who
    aren't supposed to like your own culture just the way it is. You're
    expected to voluntarily and enthusiastically dilute and transform your
    culture with backward, often violent, cultures from around the world.

    Everyone else in the world can rightly oppose "colonialism"-- the
    usurping of the native culture by newly-arrived outsiders-- except for
    the majority white countries, whose populations are expected to not only
    allow their culture to be erased by millions of (mostly illegal)
    immigrants, but rejoice in it.

    A YouTube personality visited Minneapolis this year to document the gang warfare interviewed a bail bondsman and bounty hunter who said that "Somali gangs are taking over".

    And these are the voters Kammie has to appeal to in order to win
    Minnesota.

    During Walz's tenure, Somali migrants in Minnesota defrauded the government out of a quarter of a billion taxpayer dollars intended to feed impoverished children. Nearly 50 defendants created a fraudulent organization called "Feeding Our Future", and multiple subsidiary organizations that defrauded $250 million from a coronavirus relief program. Only $50 million of those funds have been recovered.

    Wow. That's some serious fraud that happened on Walz's watch. I wonder
    if he has any better explanation for allowing it to happen than Gavin
    Newsom did for the $30 billion he let fly out the door to fraudsters in California during Wuhan Flu.

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Fri Aug 9 14:56:07 2024
    lcraver@home.ca wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Governor Tim Walz (D-MN) says that there is "no guarantee to free speech" >>> when it comes to "misinformation or hate speech," and argued on MSNBC
    that there needed to be some "pushback" on those things.

    (1) He's unequivocally wrong that misinformation and hate speech are not >>protected by the 1st Amendment. 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence says they >>are.

    My immediate reaction to that statement was "What the h*ll does he
    think the whole furor over the ACLU supporting the Nazis at Skokie, IL
    was all about?!?"

    You mean besides leftists only believing in free speech when it agrees with them?

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    * Political Correctness strives to impose innocuous mediocrity as the *
    * standard to which we must all aspire. * *************************************************************************

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Aug 9 14:53:38 2024
    atropos@mac.com wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>>
    Minnesota, under Democratic Gov. Tim Walz, prioritized non-white residents >>>> for COVID-19 treatments during the pandemic.

    Oh yeah! I remember posting about this at the time.

    Yeah, I remember too, but didn;t realize it was this man.

    Minnesota under Walz is also the state where, in the case of the need to >reduce staff (i.e., fire people) in the public school system, they
    changed the rules from "last hired, first fired" to "white teachers and
    staff get fired first". That's patently illegal, of course, and violates
    the Constitution in about a half-dozen different ways, but it shows you
    where Walz's intentions are.

    And they changed the rules on punishing students for misbehavior,
    requiring teachers and staff to take into consideration a student's race
    when meting out discipline. So if a white kid and a black kid commit the
    same offense, the black kid is punished more leniently because he has to
    live with "structural racism" every day.

    Progress!

    HOLY CRAP! That was all him? Just. Damn.

    Did you hear that he went to China for his honeymoon on the date the Tiananmen Square massacre happened?

    --
    Let's go Brandon!

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Fri Aug 9 15:11:40 2024
    On 8/9/2024 12:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 17:31:17 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Don't forget Walz was real big on handing out taxpayer-funded tampons to >>> teenage boys. They actually call him "Tampon Tim" in Minnesota.

    Do they? I guess Kamala won't be winning Minnesota, then...

    Very strange - what was the rationale for that?

    The possibility of un-outed trans kids.


    My only past knowledge of tampons for men was in high school where our basketball team was actually 2 teams - the senior teams and the
    'junior varsity' (who usually played their games as the warm up for
    the big game) and since the JV players were showering while the top
    team was playing and since visiting teams normally changed in the
    girls' dressing room, we had a couple of cases of guy buying tampons
    from the vending machine and slipping them into the star's (who later
    played pro football at 6'8" 275 lbs) equipment bag and waiting for the
    fun when he changed after the game.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Fri Aug 9 15:16:40 2024
    On 8/9/2024 12:36 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:42:12 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him

    Governor Tim Walz (D-MN) says that there is "no guarantee to free speech" >>> when it comes to "misinformation or hate speech," and argued on MSNBC that >>> there needed to be some "pushback" on those things.

    (1) He's unequivocally wrong that misinformation and hate speech are not
    protected by the 1st Amendment. 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence says they
    are.

    My immediate reaction to that statement was "What the h*ll does he
    think the whole furor over the ACLU supporting the Nazis at Skokie, IL
    was all about?!?"

    Does Walz actually think they should have been arrested on their
    march?

    Do you actually think anyone gives a shit what Walz actually thinks?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 12:26:08 2024
    In article <v95puq$dp5$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/9/2024 12:36 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:42:12 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>
    Governor Tim Walz (D-MN) says that there is "no guarantee to free
    speech" when it comes to "misinformation or hate speech," and argued
    on MSNBC that there needed to be some "pushback" on those things.

    (1) He's unequivocally wrong that misinformation and hate speech are not >> protected by the 1st Amendment. 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence says they >> are.

    My immediate reaction to that statement was "What the h*ll does he
    think the whole furor over the ACLU supporting the Nazis at Skokie, IL
    was all about?!?"

    Does Walz actually think they should have been arrested on their
    march?

    Do you actually think anyone gives a shit what Walz actually thinks?

    LOL! So in the space of a week, we've gone from, "Walz is an awesome
    choice about whom I've heard nothing negative and will add a lot to the Kammie's ticket" to "Who cares what he thinks and believes and what his
    record as governor has been? He's a Democrat and that should be the
    beginning and end of your concern!"

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to lcraver@home.ca on Fri Aug 9 19:56:58 2024
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Aug 2024 20:22:56 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    When Minnesota Governor's Mansion Was Remodeled, Tim Walz Wanted
    Taxpayers To Pay $17K A Month For Him To Live In Lakeside Home.

    Where *should* he have moved the Governor's residence, and at what cost? >>> >
    If he was living in his own home, it should have been at *no* cost to
    the taxpayers.

    Sure, if his home had an equal capacity, etc.. (See 'chance, fat'.)

    Even if his home required modification for security reasons (cameras,
    place for security personnel to work etc) that should have been a one
    time expense - not a fixed fee every month.

    The prime minister of Canada has NEVER lived in his official residence
    (it's under renovation - though Rhino and I have argued the 130 year
    old house should be demolished and something nice built on the grounds
    with all the 21st century security features built in for 1/4 the cost
    of the reno. Meanwhile Justin Trudeau has been living in the
    caretaker's bungalow close by still within the security perimeter.
    Note that unlike the White House and #10 Downing Street, his home is
    strictly a home and does not contain his main office)

    I don't know this. I thought the UK prime minister's office was in
    Whitehall. I know everything is connected.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 16:02:36 2024
    On 8/9/2024 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    In article <v95puq$dp5$2@dont-email.me>, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/9/2024 12:36 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:42:12 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    There's little in the way of negative things that I've heard about him >>>>>
    Governor Tim Walz (D-MN) says that there is "no guarantee to free
    speech" when it comes to "misinformation or hate speech," and argued >>>>> on MSNBC that there needed to be some "pushback" on those things.

    (1) He's unequivocally wrong that misinformation and hate speech are not >>>> protected by the 1st Amendment. 200+ years of 1A jurisprudence says they >>>> are.

    My immediate reaction to that statement was "What the h*ll does he
    think the whole furor over the ACLU supporting the Nazis at Skokie, IL
    was all about?!?"

    Does Walz actually think they should have been arrested on their
    march?

    Do you actually think anyone gives a shit what Walz actually thinks?

    LOL! So in the space of a week, we've gone from, "Walz is an awesome
    choice about whom I've heard nothing negative and will add a lot to the Kammie's ticket" to "Who cares what he thinks and believes and what his record as governor has been? He's a Democrat and that should be the
    beginning and end of your concern!"

    I should've been clearer... Nobody dumping on Walz here gives a shit
    about what he actually thinks. This twitch-hunt is all about protecting
    the reader from the grievous miscarriage of voting for The Other Side.

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