• Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite

    From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Tue Aug 6 17:33:24 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.comics.strips

    On 2024-08-06, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    However, LEDs have the advantage over LCDs of being disposable in the landfill (ie, put in the trash as opposed to having to be dropped off
    at special locations) when they stop working. Well, if that /is/ an advantage, of course. And both have the advantage over incandescents
    that they work a lot longer.

    LED lights are electronics and are collected along with other
    electronics for recycling. At least in Europe.

    Actually, according to the signage at the local station for bulk
    waste, recycling, etc., LED tubes go into the same container as
    fluorescents. Which seems odd.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Wed Aug 7 08:28:09 2024
    On 8/7/2024 5:49 AM, Chris Buckley wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.arts.sf.written.]
    On 2024-08-06, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2024-08-06, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    However, LEDs have the advantage over LCDs of being disposable in the
    landfill (ie, put in the trash as opposed to having to be dropped off
    at special locations) when they stop working. Well, if that /is/ an
    advantage, of course. And both have the advantage over incandescents
    that they work a lot longer.

    LED lights are electronics and are collected along with other
    electronics for recycling. At least in Europe.

    Actually, according to the signage at the local station for bulk
    waste, recycling, etc., LED tubes go into the same container as
    fluorescents. Which seems odd.

    It sounds like things are changing here (near DC). LED bulbs were
    collected for recycling for many years along with the fluorescents,
    but that's not the case anymore. They may still be considered mild
    hazardous waste (the website is inconsistent now) but not recyclable. Ordinary trash may be fine.

    Strings of LED Christmas lights are still recycled, but I assume that's
    for the wire rather than the bulbs.

    Actual recycling turns out to be a lot more finicky than we were lead to believe. "Just recycle your plastic!" Which kind of plastic? There
    are a few hundred different types and a lot of them simply CAN'T be
    recycled economically, if at all. Separating metals costs and so on.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Thu Aug 8 10:30:49 2024
    On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 08:28:09 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 5:49 AM, Chris Buckley wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.arts.sf.written.]
    On 2024-08-06, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2024-08-06, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    However, LEDs have the advantage over LCDs of being disposable in the
    landfill (ie, put in the trash as opposed to having to be dropped off
    at special locations) when they stop working. Well, if that /is/ an
    advantage, of course. And both have the advantage over incandescents
    that they work a lot longer.

    LED lights are electronics and are collected along with other
    electronics for recycling. At least in Europe.

    Actually, according to the signage at the local station for bulk
    waste, recycling, etc., LED tubes go into the same container as
    fluorescents. Which seems odd.

    It sounds like things are changing here (near DC). LED bulbs were
    collected for recycling for many years along with the fluorescents,
    but that's not the case anymore. They may still be considered mild
    hazardous waste (the website is inconsistent now) but not recyclable.
    Ordinary trash may be fine.

    Strings of LED Christmas lights are still recycled, but I assume that's
    for the wire rather than the bulbs.

    Actual recycling turns out to be a lot more finicky than we were lead to >believe. "Just recycle your plastic!" Which kind of plastic? There
    are a few hundred different types and a lot of them simply CAN'T be
    recycled economically, if at all. Separating metals costs and so on.

    Locally, there is an online list that can be used when doubt exists.
    And recycle glyphs cannot always be relied on here.

    Something that popped up some years back is recycling films (bread
    wrappers, TP wrappers, bottled water plastic holding the bottles in,
    certain Amazon mailers, stuff like that) based on returning them to
    the grocery store or drugstore (well, some of them, anyway). They are
    not allowed in the home recycle bin. And so it goes.

    There is some hope: some time back, /Science News/ had an article
    about a form of plastic that could be made into a bag, recycled into
    its chemical constituents, and remade into a bag -- and after 100
    cycles was as strong at the end as it was at the beginning.

    But whether it can be commercialized was not known.

    Some plastic items (bookshelves, carts), of course, unless they are
    actually broken, can be re-used (that is, donated to an organization
    that can get them to someone who needs them). No landfill needed.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Thu Aug 8 18:35:55 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 08:28:09 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 8/7/2024 5:49 AM, Chris Buckley wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.arts.sf.written.]
    On 2024-08-06, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2024-08-06, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    However, LEDs have the advantage over LCDs of being disposable in =
    the
    landfill (ie, put in the trash as opposed to having to be dropped =
    off
    at special locations) when they stop working. Well, if that /is/ an
    advantage, of course. And both have the advantage over incandescents >>>>> that they work a lot longer.

    LED lights are electronics and are collected along with other
    electronics for recycling. At least in Europe.

    Actually, according to the signage at the local station for bulk
    waste, recycling, etc., LED tubes go into the same container as
    fluorescents. Which seems odd.
    =20
    It sounds like things are changing here (near DC). LED bulbs were
    collected for recycling for many years along with the fluorescents,
    but that's not the case anymore. They may still be considered mild
    hazardous waste (the website is inconsistent now) but not recyclable.
    Ordinary trash may be fine.
    =20
    Strings of LED Christmas lights are still recycled, but I assume =
    that's
    for the wire rather than the bulbs.
    =20
    Actual recycling turns out to be a lot more finicky than we were lead to= >=20
    believe. "Just recycle your plastic!" Which kind of plastic? There=20 >>are a few hundred different types and a lot of them simply CAN'T be=20 >>recycled economically, if at all. Separating metals costs and so on.

    Locally, there is an online list that can be used when doubt exists.
    And recycle glyphs cannot always be relied on here.

    Something that popped up some years back is recycling films (bread
    wrappers, TP wrappers, bottled water plastic holding the bottles in,
    certain Amazon mailers, stuff like that) based on returning them to
    the grocery store or drugstore (well, some of them, anyway). They are
    not allowed in the home recycle bin. And so it goes.

    There is some hope: some time back, /Science News/ had an article
    about a form of plastic that could be made into a bag, recycled into
    its chemical constituents, and remade into a bag -- and after 100
    cycles was as strong at the end as it was at the beginning.

    The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
    plastics. I'd even go so far as to include milk and
    juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
    and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).

    Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.

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