• Re: The Warm Equations

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 6 03:28:09 2024
    In article <ldr19qF74vgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    Interesting to note the way margins of a real-life space venture are run:

    Two astronauts have been stuck at the ISS for an extra two weeks,
    so far, because their ride has flat tires, and it's not a crisis,
    and nobody has had to volunteer to step out the airlock.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

    Things are looking worse:

    https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/nasa-likely-to-significantly-delay-the-launch-of-crew-9-due-to-starliner-issues/

    Software struggles

    NASA has quietly been studying the possibility of crew
    returning in a Dragon for more than a month. As NASA and
    Boeing engineers have yet to identify a root cause of the
    thruster failure, the possibility of Wilmore and Williams
    returning on a Dragon spacecraft has increased in the last
    10 days. NASA has consistently said that 'crew safety' will
    be its No. 1 priority in deciding how to proceed.

    The Crew 9 delay is relevant to the Starliner dilemma for
    a couple of reasons. One, it gives NASA more time to determine
    the flight-worthiness of Starliner. However, there is also
    another surprising reason for the delay--the need to update
    Starliner's flight software. Three separate, well-placed
    sources have confirmed to Ars that the current flight
    software on board Starliner cannot perform an automated
    undocking from the space station and entry into Earth's
    atmosphere.

    At first blush, this seems absurd. After all, Boeing's
    Orbital Flight Test 2 mission in May 2022 was a fully
    automated test of the Starliner vehicle. During this mission,
    the spacecraft flew up to the space station without crew
    on board and then returned to Earth six days later. Although
    the 2022 flight test was completed by a different Starliner
    vehicle, it clearly demonstrated the ability of the program's
    flight software to autonomously dock and return to Earth.
    Boeing did not respond to a media query about why this
    capability was removed for the crew flight test.

    "At first blush, this seems absurd."

    Well, yes. Second blush as well.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 6 09:01:46 2024
    On 6 Aug 2024 03:28:09 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
    wrote:

    In article <ldr19qF74vgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    Interesting to note the way margins of a real-life space venture are run:

    Two astronauts have been stuck at the ISS for an extra two weeks,
    so far, because their ride has flat tires, and it's not a crisis,
    and nobody has had to volunteer to step out the airlock.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

    Things are looking worse:

    https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/nasa-likely-to-significantly-delay-the-launch-of-crew-9-due-to-starliner-issues/

    Software struggles

    NASA has quietly been studying the possibility of crew
    returning in a Dragon for more than a month. As NASA and
    Boeing engineers have yet to identify a root cause of the
    thruster failure, the possibility of Wilmore and Williams
    returning on a Dragon spacecraft has increased in the last
    10 days. NASA has consistently said that 'crew safety' will
    be its No. 1 priority in deciding how to proceed.

    The Crew 9 delay is relevant to the Starliner dilemma for
    a couple of reasons. One, it gives NASA more time to determine
    the flight-worthiness of Starliner. However, there is also
    another surprising reason for the delay--the need to update
    Starliner's flight software. Three separate, well-placed
    sources have confirmed to Ars that the current flight
    software on board Starliner cannot perform an automated
    undocking from the space station and entry into Earth's
    atmosphere.

    At first blush, this seems absurd. After all, Boeing's
    Orbital Flight Test 2 mission in May 2022 was a fully
    automated test of the Starliner vehicle. During this mission,
    the spacecraft flew up to the space station without crew
    on board and then returned to Earth six days later. Although
    the 2022 flight test was completed by a different Starliner
    vehicle, it clearly demonstrated the ability of the program's
    flight software to autonomously dock and return to Earth.
    Boeing did not respond to a media query about why this
    capability was removed for the crew flight test.

    "At first blush, this seems absurd."

    Well, yes. Second blush as well.

    Some MBA probably determined that it wasn't needed and so shouldn't be included, at least at the present price point.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Thu Aug 8 17:57:12 2024
    On 7/10/24 11:46, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 14:13:33 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    I object to calling people in their 50s old.

    Luckily, the SpaceX Dragon can hold up to six people.

    I am 63 for a couple of more days, I am OLD.

    I must be positively decrepit being 5 years older than you...

    People of 50 are mere children, generally having raised
    their own children already but maybe they are still sending
    those to higher education.

    I write only from the viewpoint of 87 yoa.
    Auto censoring political comments.

    bliss

    --
    b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Aug 9 15:29:59 2024
    On 09/08/2024 10:35, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    [SNIP]>
    Anytime any engineering business names an accountant as the CEO, write
    it off.  Boeing did so several years ago.  The accountants will drive
    the costs to zero no matter what happens to the employees.


    Or to the product.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Fri Aug 9 16:57:03 2024
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Anytime any engineering business names an accountant as the CEO, write
    it off. Boeing did so several years ago. The accountants will drive
    the costs to zero no matter what happens to the employees.

    When I was a kid, Boeing, Lockheed, and Douglas all had presidents who
    were certified to fly their company's products and sometimes did.

    This is no longer the case; it is as if General Motors was run by someone
    who couldn't drive.

    Note that Air Tractor's president can fly his company's products. Not
    sure about Cessna or Piper anymore.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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