In article <v6nkr5$29rdi$1@dont-email.me>, shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com
says...

International pronunciation is very interesting. I've been watching the Moto GP and hear some
English people struggle with 'Jorge'. They mostly /try/ to get it right though - unlike the
Italians I've heard say the name. They don't even try and just say 'Yorg'.

I'll admit that the BT Sport/TNT Sports talking heads are marginally
better now when it comes to pronouncing Jorge Martin's name on MotoGP broadcasts, but there was plenty of room for improvement before Jorge
Lorenzo retired in 2019. Back then you could always count on hearing "WHORE-GAY" innumerable times.

For a real nails-on-chalkboard effort, how about when former
MotoGP/WSB/BSB rider John Hopkins subbed in as a commentator during a
couple of MotoGP races last year and quickly demonstrated that he was
utterly incapable of pronouncing the Italian "gn" digraph, repeatedly
mangling Francesco Bagnaia's last name with a hard "g".

I remain mystified as to how one could hear a name being pronounced one
way, and then say it a completely different way, but what do I know, I'm
a Texan who was once told that I spoke German with a Czech accent.

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Dave

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On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 01:21:05 -0500, Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com>
wrote:

I remain mystified as to how one could hear a name being pronounced one
way, and then say it a completely different way, but what do I know, I'm
a Texan who was once told that I spoke German with a Czech accent.

I red somewhere that this ability/inability is connected with music
talent. So, some people really don't recognize the differences, and
have hard time learning foreign language, let alone to get rid of bad
accent.
And some are just lazy. Just because.
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:45:47 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:

The fact the letters look the same fool us into thinking we know how to >pronounce the words.

Well, southern Slavic languages such as Croatian (my native), Serbian,
Bosnian, Montenegrian are much simpler in that regard: the main rule
is "read as it is written", letter by letter. So everything is written fonetically.
The main complication with those languages is very complicated grammar
and word forms with lots of prefixes, sufixes, etc.

Aactually all those languages are almost the same with more than 90%
common words and rules, so we can understand each other normally. Only politicians and nationalists insist on differences (Serbian is not
Croatian and vice versa).

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On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:03:53 +0200, Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> wrote:


I wrote "fonetically" instead of "phonetically". So, pun intended!

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:45:47 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:

The fact the letters look the same fool us into thinking we know how to >>pronounce the words.

Well, southern Slavic languages such as Croatian (my native), Serbian, >Bosnian, Montenegrian are much simpler in that regard: the main rule
is "read as it is written", letter by letter. So everything is written >fonetically.
The main complication with those languages is very complicated grammar
and word forms with lots of prefixes, sufixes, etc.

Aactually all those languages are almost the same with more than 90%
common words and rules, so we can understand each other normally. Only >politicians and nationalists insist on differences (Serbian is not
Croatian and vice versa).

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Yazoo <yazoo@myself.com> writes:

On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 09:45:47 -0000 (UTC), Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com>
wrote:

The fact the letters look the same fool us into thinking we know how to >>pronounce the words.

Well, southern Slavic languages such as Croatian (my native), Serbian, Bosnian, Montenegrian are much simpler in that regard: the main rule
is "read as it is written", letter by letter. So everything is written fonetically.

Oi!

Check what newsgroup you're posting to; here we spell that "f1tically"!

Phil
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 23:02:46 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org>
wrote:

... So everything is written
fonetically.

Oi!

Check what newsgroup you're posting to; here we spell that "f1tically"!

Phil

Yes! :)
Good point!

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